Something for the Quaker....

[tombogan03884]

 My only problem with IEspellcheck that Haz posted was remembering to USE it 
And thank you for not making us work to hard finding something to flame you on, especially on the rare occasions we might agree with you. 

[Pathfinder]

I'm going to hell for that, ain't I?

Not even close. Nice try though! 

[Pathfinder]

Path
I appreciate the time you put into your post. I take it as a sign of respect. I mean that. If you just thought I was a useless A@#hole, like onrecess  you would not have bothered. I thank you for that. I must add a couple of small points and then one large one. Point the first, calling a liberal (which I am not unless you're talking about social policy) a fascist is an oxymoron. Fascism is by definition associated with a right wing style authoritarianism that views the state as the legitimate protector of an organic national identity. Try dictatorial  instead. Second point,  the religious right is large and well funded, or maybe you failed to notice the Christian Coalition, Jerry Fallwell, Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed and James Dobson? This is a movement that seeks to marry church and state, has zero regard for small government and trends dangerously close to Dominion theology.  I do not like, trust or support it as a Christian, a Libertarian or an American. Please note I am not talking about conservative Christians in general, or even all members of the group, just it's leaders. Even they mean well, I just think that they confuse secular conservatism with Biblical Christianitity and drift dagerously close to theocracy. This is, if you understand the Dominion theology reference a larger debate than we can take up here, but if you want to address it elsewhere I would be happy to. Finally, my larger point is that Palin just rubs me the wrong way.This isn't about sexism. I disagree with her social policies, don't like her attitude, and am less than impressed with her resigning from office before the end of her term. Period. Full stop. Why does this get folks so POd? Honestly, there is not a one of us who hasn't met a politician that for one reason or another we just don't like. I don't like Palin Sam I Am.
Peace
FQ13

You're welcome.

I took the time this AM because unlike all of you here apparently, I actually go to bed at a reasonable hour. As a result, I get up at unreasonable times and have time to kill!  

i posted that the way I did this time to show you how easy it is to deconstruct your points and statements. And that should be your concern - it is that easy.

Tom addressed the liberal/fascist thing, but I do want to expand on it a bit. Being a former (and now current again) Roman/Latin scholar, I am well aware of how Mussolini (he of the hung upside down from a street lamp post fame) took the ancient Roman word and concept and changed it into a totalitarian regime. My use of the lower case "fascism" was to reflect the totalitarian nature of the uber-left - our way or be destroyed. Do not focus on the textbook definition - look at the historical realities.

And although so-called right-wing "fascists" - in the totalitarian sense - have existed (Franco for example), the overwhelming fascist presence in this world in the past 100 years has been socialist or communist - hard core left-wing, not right. From Stalin and Mao and Hitler to Castro, Pol Pat, Allende, the Sandanistas and others, the most destructive, totalitarian gummints have been left.

As for the so-called "religious right", I spoke of 3 left wing organizations. You mentioned one Christian organization and 3 individual Christians (you forgot Dobson, BTW). Hardly a huge, well organized "vast right wing religious conspiracy" here. My 3 left wing organizations are extremely well financed (by our tax dollars now too) and well organized. Not to mention they and others are all currently very active in destroying this country. The folks you mentioned have been marginalized and do not wield 1/10 the power and fund raising capabilities of the 3 I mentioned, let alone all of the others that exist. So my point remains - the so-called "religious right" is more a creation of Alinsky's destructive techniques as practiced by the left, than it is a real political force. You need to deal with that fact. Once again your hatred gets in your way.

And the simple fact that as a "Christian" you can ignore these perceived "leaders" stands in stark contrast to how the left works. If you were to stand against Clinton or Soros or some other left "darling", you would be attacked and if not destroyed then at the very least marginalized as well. It is the left that will not tolerate dissension, not the right.

Palin can rub you the wrong way, the same way that Romney rubs me the wrong way. The problem is your attacks on her are so vacuous and vague that it smacks of sexism in the extreme. So you do need to re-evaluate your so-called feminist and "libertarian" beliefs. They do not bear close scrutiny.

[Neon Knight Anubis]

Mussolini was an avowed socialist until he realized that Marxist rhetoric doesn't fly in elections so he switched the rhetoric to a nationalist theme and referred to it as the Fascisti, thus why he is known as the "father of fascism". Hitler became a member of the NSDAP, the National Socialist German Workers Party, because it was both anti Semitic*  and anti wealth. He hated the wealthy, hated them, and while he allowed private ownership of property he still told you what to do/make and still confiscated profits for his programs and military.

There is absolutely nothing about those platforms that is remotely libertarian, objectivist, "conservative" by American historical standards, or any other ideology that believes in the power of the individual, rather they are collectivist (ie "Left Wing") in which the community/country comes before the individual. "Left Wing" and "Liberal" are two different things entirely.

[fightingquaker13]

Mussolini was an avowed socialist until he realized that Marxist rhetoric doesn't fly in elections so he switched the rhetoric to a nationalist theme and referred to it as the Fascisti, thus why he is known as the "father of fascism". Hitler became a member of the NSDAP, the National Socialist German Workers Party, because it was both anti Semitic*  and anti wealth. He hated the wealthy, hated them, and while he allowed private ownership of property he still told you what to do/make and still confiscated profits for his programs and military.

There is absolutely nothing about those platforms that is remotely libertarian, objectivist, "conservative" by American historical standards, or any other ideology that believes in the power of the individual, rather they are collectivist (ie "Left Wing") in which the community/country comes before the individual. "Left Wing" and "Liberal" are two different things entirely.

Mostly agreed. I tend to divide politics along the lines of authoritarian/statist vs libertatrian/individualistic. Its based on the programs and results, I dont care about the left or right labels.
FQ13

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[Hazcat]

I, too, am mildly dyslexic.  I've found a support group, however.  It's called M.A.D. (Mothers Against Dyslexia)

Did you hear about the dyslexic atheist?  He didn't believe in dog.

Thank you, I'll be here all week, and don't forget to tip your servers.  












I'm going to hell for that, ain't I?

TT, YA SCREWED IT UP!  It "Ever here of DAM....it's Mothers against Dyslexia". 

 

[blackwolfe]

First of all I want to admit that my spelling and grammer are atrocious and so is my typing.   When I have the time and a dictionary I can usually write adequetly.  I can't install that ispell program or what ever it is on this computer.  So forgive me for the massacre of the engish language that I do so often.  I often wonder if I may be slightly dyslexic resulting in my poor spelling.  The true reason behind my spelling may be that I had my father in grade school as a spelling teacher.  Not that he was a bad teacher, but the student was lacking, rebellious, and unwilling.

I can't wax nearly as prophetic as many of you on this forum and don't possess the knowledge base on many of the subjects that so many of you have.

My take on Palin.  Many, both on the left and the right, especially a lot of women, are afraid of her.  The fear of Palin has been masked, giving forth to so many covers as to why some don't like her.  She is normal, she has true humble beginnings, she is strong, she is a credible threat to liberals.  She has achieved great things basically on her own with out the normal channels of political ladder climbing.  She is the antithesis of the feminist myth.  Palin is smart, perhaps ignorant in some matters, but knowledge of those matters can be achieved and her enemies know this,  The left knows how dangerous Palin is to them.  The left knows they must destroy her.  It is difficult for them to attck Palin with the truth.  The left must assault with personal destruction and lies.  The left must.......................to be continued some time.

[tombogan03884]

 Here's something else about the  FQ/ Palin  debate. and FQ REALLY needs to think about it.
If FQ  or any of the rest of us cast our vote based on I "like this person," or " I think that person is a miserable SOB" we are just as bad as the enemy.
This is not supposed to be a popularity contest to see who's more "likable".
It's supposed to be a JOB INTERVIEW to see who will do the best job administering the Nation, even if the best candidate is a hateful prick.

We've already seen how the "American Idol" candidate is working out.

[Pathfinder]

Mostly agreed. I tend to divide politics along the lines of authoritarian/statist vs libertatrian/individualistic. Its based on the programs and results, I dont care about the left or right labels.
FQ13

Reminds me of the Anthropology professor from Columbia, Marvin Harris, back in the 60's and 70's who was an avowed Marxist - and demanded that we interpret all anthropological artifacts through Marxism. In other words, trim the facts to fit the Marxist dogma. So as long as your facts support your authoritarian/statist - libertarian/individualist model, everything is hunky dory? Otherwise they get ignored? Sorry to sound like a broken record, but bho was and is a huge authoritarian/statist - always has been, it is obvious in his writings.

AND. YOU. VOTED. FOR. HIM!!!

This is what I mean by letting your hatred for McCain/GOP/Palin/whatever color your judgment. No real libertarian would ever have cast a vote for bho.

BTW, I just checked the wiki posting for Harris  - it glosses over the Marxist angle. I met him a number of times, I heard his presentations at various conferences, and I read his papers in the trade mags.