Catholics want to take away your guns

[ericire12]

In case anyone is looking to get rid of a gun that was used in a crime

:http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/faith/2009/08/god_guns_new_bethel_pagano.html

St. Gregory the Great wants weapons

Last month in Kentucky, an Assemblies of God congregation drew international attention with its "open carry celebration," in which the pastor invited members of to come to bring their guns to church, that they might "celebrate our rights as Americans."

“God and guns were part of the foundation of this country,” the Rev. Ken Pagano told The New York Times.

Next month in Baltimore, a Catholic church will ask parishioners to bring weapons to church -- for a very different purpose. Responding to increased gun violence in the city, organizers say, St. Gregory the Great is sponsoring its seventh "Gun Turn-In Day" on Sept. 12.

Since the parish began its effort to get guns off the streets, organizers say, more than 100 have been turned in.

“The police have verified that in the past, some of these weapons that have been turned in have been very lethal,” Monsignor Damien G. Nalepa said in a statement. “We appeal to all the citizens of our city to help stop the violence and turn in guns.”

Co-sponsored by the Catholic Review, the event is scheduled for 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. at the church at 1542 N. Gilmor St. Organizers are offering $100 for each workable automatic or semi-automatic handgun or assault rifle, and $50 for any other workable gun turned in.

According to flyer being circulated for the event, no questions will be asked. Parish staff members and volunteers log the type of gun, and verify that it is unloaded and safe. At the close of the event, the guns are to be turned over to local law enforcement.

Exit Question: Why is it that we never see a "Turn in your crack rock" day? With drugs being such a scourge to our society, shouldn't we be trying to use the same useful method of getting guns off the streets    to help get drugs off the streets? Shouldn't doing drug buy back programs be implemented as a tool in the war on drugs? Come on, its for the children. Turn in your crack rock, no questions asked and get yourself a gift card for some new shoes  

[Timothy]

Marion Barry will volunteer his efforts in this regard, for the children....."Send me your crack, your whores, your huddled masses!"



 

[fightingquaker13]

Eric
Its the utopian mindset. If we assume that evil is caused by some external factor there is an easy solution. Remove it. Pass a law, provide an incentive or ban a product.Replace foolish leaders with wise ones. This is idealism. If on the other hand we understand that evil is caused by some part of human nature, circumstance and inequaility, fear or bigotry or lust for power which will always be with us, we realize there is no easy solution.One leader for another, a call to religion or ideology or a policy shift will have effects only on the margins. This is realism.
Idealism is easier to sell. Its BS though.The left and right indulge in idealism, the death penalty, abortion, gun control, the war on drugs, blaming pornography etc. Its all the same BS. If only we remove a thing, WE will change.Not going to happen. Once we understand that human nature is both constant and fallible, and make policy with a firm belief in the limitations of government to influence human actions, we can get somewhere. Until then.....
FQ13

[ericire12]

Eric
Its the utopian mindset. If we assume that evil is caused by some external factor there is an easy solution. Remove it. Pass a law, provide an incentive or ban a product.Replace foolish leaders with wise ones. This is idealism. If on the other hand we understand that evil is caused by some part of human nature, circumstance and inequaility, fear or bigotry or lust for power which will always be with us, we realize there is no easy solution.One leader for another, a call to religion or ideology or a policy shift will have effects only on the margins. This is realism.
Idealism is easier to sell. Its BS though.The left and right indulge in idealism, the death penalty, abortion, gun control, the war on drugs, blaming pornography etc. Its all the same BS. If only we remove a thing, WE will change.Not going to happen. Once we understand that human nature is both constant and fallible, and make policy with a firm belief in the limitations of government to influence human actions, we can get somewhere. Until then.....
FQ13

Once again you are over thinking things, Socrates. Everything is not always as nuanced as you always think it is.

[tombogan03884]

Once again you are over thinking things, Socrates. Everything is not always as nuanced as you always think it is.

Eric, you miss his point in all the words. While I disagree with some of the phrases that he used, his basic point that  "Blaming "things" when the  problem is human conduct, is naive at best" Hits the nail directly on the head

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[Hazcat]

Eric
Its the utopian mindset. If we assume that evil is caused by some external factor there is an easy solution. Remove it. Pass a law, provide an incentive or ban a product.Replace foolish leaders with wise ones. This is idealism. If on the other hand we understand that evil is caused by some part of human nature, circumstance and inequaility, fear or bigotry or lust for power which will always be with us, we realize there is no easy solution.One leader for another, a call to religion or ideology or a policy shift will have effects only on the margins. This is realism.
Idealism is easier to sell. Its BS though.The left and right indulge in idealism, the death penalty, abortion, gun control, the war on drugs, blaming pornography etc. Its all the same BS. If only we remove a thing, WE will change.Not going to happen. Once we understand that human nature is both constant and fallible, and make policy with a firm belief in the limitations of government to influence human actions, we can get somewhere. Until then.....
FQ13

FQ,

Ya gots ta learn ya ain't teachin' a class here.   No need to take ten minutes worth of material and stretch it to fill 45 minutes. 

[ericire12]

Eric, you miss his point in all the words. While I disagree with some of the phrases that he used, his basic point that  "Blaming "things" when the  problem is human conduct, is naive at best" Hits the nail directly on the head

Right.

these weapons that have been turned in have been very lethal

But he is turning it all into academic gobldy-gook and trying to throw all kinds of other crap into it to prove a point that he has nuanced into something different all together.

Once again you are over thinking things, Socrates. Everything is not always as nuanced as you always think it is.

[tombogan03884]

Right.

But he is turning it all into academic gobldy-gook and trying to throw all kinds of other crap into it to prove a point that he has nuanced into something different all together.
 

It's a college thing, they get graded by word count on a lot of stuff.

[WatchManUSA]

Monsignor Damien G. Nalepa said in a statement. “We appeal to all the citizens of our city to help stop the violence and turn in guns.”

The Monsignor is like many people that believe:

• Everyone citizen who owns a gun is a “hair trigger” waiting to go off at any moment.  It is as if the gun produces a Siren’s song and makes bad things happen.

• Shifts the blame for violence from the person onto an inanimate object, the gun, rather than on the perpetrator of the violent act. 

[shooter32]

• Shifts the blame for violence from the person onto an inanimate object, the gun, rather than on the perpetrator of the violent act. 

BINGO!!