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Felons and the Right To Bear Arms:
« on: August 28, 2009, 09:15:58 PM »
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_08_23-2009_08_29.shtml#1251496843


   The North Carolina Supreme Court has just held, in [1]Britt v. State,
   that some felons -- whose crimes are long in the past -- do have a
   constitutional right to bear arms, at least under the North Carolina
   Constitution:

     Plaintiff pleaded guilty to one felony count of possession with
     intent to sell and deliver a controlled substance in 1979. The
     State does not argue that any aspect of plaintiffâs crime involved
     violence or the threat of violence. Plaintiff ompleted his sentence
     without incident in 1982. Plaintiffâs right to possess firearms was
     restored in 1987. No evidence has been presented which would
     indicate that plaintiff is dangerous or has ever misused firearms,
     either before his crime or in the seventeen years between
     restoration of his rights and [the 2004] adoption of N.C.G.S. §
     14-415.1âs complete ban on any possession of a firearm by him.
     Plaintiff sought out advice from his local Sheriff following the
     amendment of N.C.G.S. § 14-415.1 and willingly gave up his weapons
     when informed that possession would presumably violate the statute.
     Plaintiff, through his uncontested lifelong nonviolence towards
     other citizens, his thirty years of law-abiding conduct since his
     crime, his seventeen years of responsible, lawful firearm
     possession between 1987 and 2004, and his assiduous and proactive
     compliance with the 2004 amendment, has affirmatively demonstrated
     that he is not among the class of citizens who pose a threat to
     public peace and safety....

     Based on the facts of plaintiffâs crime, his long post-conviction
     history of respect for the law, the absence of any evidence of
     violence by plaintiff, and the lack of any exception or possible
     relief from the statuteâs operation, as applied to plaintiff, the
     2004 version of N.C.G.S. § 14-451.1 is an unreasonable regulation,
     not fairly related to the preservation of public peace and safety
     [the constitutional test that the court was applying under the
     state constitution -EV]. In particular, it is unreasonable to
     assert that a nonviolent citizen who has responsibly, safely, and
     legally owned and used firearms for seventeen years is in reality
     so dangerous that any possession at all of a firearm would pose a
     significant threat to public safety.

     [Footnote moved:] Because we hold that application of N.C.G.S. §
     14-415.1 to plaintiff is not a reasonable regulation, we need not
     address plaintiffâs argument that the right to keep and bear arms
     is a fundamental right entitled to a higher level of scrutiny.

   The vote was 5-2, with four of the five Justices joining the majority
   opinion and the fifth concurring in the judgment without written
   opinion. Note that since this is an interpretation of the North
   Carolina Constitution, the decision is final, with no basis for
   further review by the U.S. Supreme Court (though of course it can be
   overturned through the North Carolina constitutional amendment
   process, should there be enough support for that).

   Thanks to reader Steve Martin for the pointer.

References

   1. http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/sc/opinions/2009/pdf/488-07-1.pdf

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Re: Felons and the Right To Bear Arms:
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2009, 09:22:14 PM »
I think this sounds fair. If the crime was non-violent and time has passed (say 5 years or so) you should be able to appeal to have your rights restored. The burden of proof should be on you, but the option should be there.
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Re: Felons and the Right To Bear Arms:
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2009, 09:29:01 PM »
drugs are not a non violent felony.   


More people are killed in the names of drugs then anything else.
I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

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Re: Felons and the Right To Bear Arms:
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2009, 09:42:00 PM »
drugs are not a non violent felony.   


More people are killed in the names of drugs then anything else.
Bzzzt! Wrong answer, but thanks for playing. The correct answer is more people are killed as a result of prohibition than anything else. Ban beer tommorow and I will bet my AR against an autographed nude poster of Rosy O'Donnel that inside of six months someone will be shot over control of the illegal beer trade.
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Re: Felons and the Right To Bear Arms:
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2009, 10:16:15 PM »
And that makes you less responsable for that death how?

you bought the goods people died for. you didn't pull the trigger, but you gave them the reason too.
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Re: Felons and the Right To Bear Arms:
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Re: Felons and the Right To Bear Arms:
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2009, 10:37:03 PM »
And that makes you less responsable for that death how?

you bought the goods people died for. you didn't pull the trigger, but you gave them the reason too.
Again, wrong answer. Government legislated unwisely by banning something they knew there would always be a demand for, a demand they knew they couldn't stop. They knew, or should have known, that this would create a black market and all that that entails.They did it anyway as either an honest but stupidly naieve view of human nature, or a cynical excersize in politics "vote for me, I hate crack and love apple pie". Sometimes you have to do it anyway, as with child porn, because real people (innocents) are being harmed. But in the case of drugs, the only victims are the addicts themselves and their families, and its not my job to tell someone how to treat their own body. Sorry TAB, if you want to drug test your employees, fine. If you avoid illegal drugs (as I do) good. But it's not the neighbors kid who lights a fatty that's responsible for the carnage in Mexico. Its the control freak politicians who think they have either the right or the ability to make him stop that get the blame.
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Re: Felons and the Right To Bear Arms:
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2009, 10:46:56 PM »
Again, wrong answer. Government legislated unwisely by banning something they knew there would always be a demand for, a demand they knew they couldn't stop. They knew, or should have known, that this would create a black market and all that that entails.They did it anyway as either an honest but stupidly naieve view of human nature, or a cynical excersize in politics "vote for me, I hate crack and love apple pie". Sometimes you have to do it anyway, as with child porn, because real people (innocents) are being harmed. But in the case of drugs, the only victims are the addicts themselves and their families, and its not my job to tell someone how to treat their own body. Sorry TAB, if you want to drug test your employees, fine. If you avoid illegal drugs (as I do) good. But it's not the neighbors kid who lights a fatty that's responsible for the carnage in Mexico. Its the control freak politicians who think they have either the right or the ability to make him stop that get the blame.
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yeah addicts only hurt themselfs and the people they love... wrong.

a very high precentage of crimes commited are done so under the influance of drugs or to get money to buy drugs.   
I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

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Re: Felons and the Right To Bear Arms:
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2009, 10:49:42 PM »
Bzzzt! Wrong answer, but thanks for playing. The correct answer is more people are killed as a result of prohibition than anything else. Ban beer tommorow and I will bet my AR against an autographed nude poster of Rosy O'Donnel that inside of six months someone will be shot over control of the illegal beer trade.
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Sh!t, more like 6 HOURS, TAB is one of those people who forgets that stupid sh!t didn't work in the 20's  either.

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Re: Felons and the Right To Bear Arms:
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2009, 10:52:41 PM »
yeah addicts only hurt themselfs and the people they love... wrong.

a very high precentage of crimes commited are done so under the influance of drugs or to get money to buy drugs.  

And this is different from booze how ? Prohibition is a money pit that makes gangsters rich while serving as a jobs program for Cops while it used to whittle away our 4th and amendment rights.
Any one who supports prohibition is stupid, or corrupt.

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Re: Felons and the Right To Bear Arms:
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2009, 10:54:46 PM »
what diffrence does it make what the baned product is?

I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

 

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