slugs and chokes

[Ping]

Guys, here in Indiana we can only hunt deer with our bow, shotgun, or pistol in a higher caliber, .357, .44 magnum. Funny how we can go out and blast a coyote with a .223, but can't hunt deer with one.

[Johnny Bravo]

What?

[blackwolfe]

To the best of my knowledge in the shotgun zone in Michigan you can use centerfire rifles for varmit hunting, but not deer.

[tombogan03884]

To the best of my knowledge in the shotgun zone in Michigan you can use centerfire rifles for varmit hunting, but not deer.

That sounds dumb but it may be the same here in our Shotgun counties, I don't know, Cross bows are not allowed for hunting at all though.

[blackwolfe]

To the best of my knowledge the theroy is that "Varmit" round "break up"  when they hit the critter or the ground and don't carry further or ricochet.  At least that was the way it was explained to me.

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[fightingquaker13]

To the best of my knowledge the theroy is that "Varmit" round "break up"  when they hit the critter or the ground and don't carry further or ricochet.  At least that was the way it was explained to me.

Provided that the ground is say, 800 yards away, with nothing between it and the muzzle, thats great. Honesly, I am agnostic on the whole "no rifle" issue. I find it highly annoying, but better to put up with a few restrictions based on safety than to start having collaterall damage that the antis will exploit. I will grumble, but trust the Wildlife departments (mostly). Still I do sleep better at night knowing that a .556 fired at a coyte rather than a deer is safer in the eyes of the law.
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[Badgersmilk]

All points showing how out-dated, and useless the gun laws are.

When my daughter went through hunters safety over a year ago they said crossbow's had been made legal to hunt with in MI (we were living there then).  Bald Mountain, Lapeer State Game Area are easily the two biggest, and most widely used hunting area's in the lower half of MI (the shot gun zone).  If anyone tries to tell me its safe to use a .223 to hunt anything in either of those area's they're only proving the point that people are to stupid to govern themselves!  I've hunted those area's enough to know the land like the back of my hand...  Shotguns throwing slugs, muzzle loaders that hit 2,000fps, and crossbow's have NO PLACE in a woods with houses scattered all through and around it!

The fact that anybody is even thinking otherwise makes me feel 1000 times better that I'm not in that woods anymore!    Thank God we made it out of there alive!!!

[dawoodq]

M16 style Tactical shotgun T-14   from Safir Arms Turkey (http://www.safirarms.com/eng.html  will hit the market by January - Feb 2011. In addtition to production in Turkey, the gun will be manufactured at a facility in NJ USA. T- 14 HUNTING GUN will be available in Flattops or with carry handles. T- 14 HUNTING GUN  is currently manufactured in 36 (410) CALIBER, UNRIFLED AND UNGROOVED SEMIAUTOMATIC  WHICH IS SIMILAR TO AR-15  223 REMINGTON. grooving and rifling is a possibility too.

T 14 is designed to use everykind of ammo, birdshots, buckshots or slugs. Mainly the manufacturer recommends slugs because the gun has a powerful gas system that no other shotgun has and also very very accurate up to 300 metres.

www.tactical.desktopmarket.com

[kmitch200]

So, you shotgun hunters explain to me why .410 slugs have not been developed into the premier hunting round
I would think that you could use the smaller .410 to get closer to true rifle performance then the enormously heavy 12 gauge slugs. It seems to me that all that ridiculous amount of weight in the 12 ga slugs is what really puts the limitations on shotgun hunting as far as range is concerned. I would think, that you could use .410 to get a lighter slug with a greater ballistic coefficient, and have more then enough room for the need gunpowder.

IMHO - When using a low pressure cartridge, (pistol or shotgun) weight has the benefit of momentum which gives better penetration. Using a lighter slug even if you got the velocity up over 1900fps, may get the job done but at what cost? (to the gun and your wallet)
You still have to keep the pressure DOWN for shotguns. They don't have the steel mass or strength of revolvers let alone rifles.

Shotgun slugs have gotten better by using sabots, but the 410 is the redheaded stepchild of the shotgun world.
Too expensive, ammo is harder to find and a 410 won't and can't do what the same load will do out of a 12 gauge. Move up to 12 mag territory and it's no contest.
Have you priced a box of 410 ammo lately? 

Side note, why anyone would use a 410 shell in a Taurus Judge instead of an honest to goodness thumper 45 Colt is beyond me unless the recoil is GREATLY reduced and/or you have serious overpenetration worries.   

[twyacht]

.410 is a great snake round in a Judge. Times have sure changed, my 28" barreled Mossberg/Wards Western Field bolt action .410, with threaded barrel, was designed as a rabbit/squirrel/dove almost rifle. The choke(s) control the spread, but .410 is the dodo bird round today.

The 20g, is more popular, and cheaper. So........

But I love the thing, keep my stocks up on .410, and it's a family gun so there it will stay. In the Judge, as intended, it is more than adequate for SD ranges, having the 45Colt is a bonus...(although another pricey round)...