Millet rings = poop!

[Badgersmilk]

I'd installed a set of these rings having been attracted by the fact that they were adjustable for windage, and were made of nickel (VERY hard, corrosion resistant).  BAD CHOICE.  Finally got the rifle out in the field, sighted in, and as part of testing out my setup on any new rifle / pistol with optics I use the end of a fist (pinky end) and "bop" the optic a few times on either side, front and back, about 5 times to test its ability to hold zero...  Moved the groups at 100 yards anywhere from 1.25", to 2.1" each time I repeated this! 
I consider this a very acceptable test in ANY field rifle!  Rings were lapped in, they were flexing at the bottom where they clamp to the rail. 




Cheap Weaver "Quad rings":
 
I have them on two other rifles.  No need to lap them in at all!  NICE!  AND, after clamping down, tightening everything up, I bore sighted the gun at 105 yards and didnt need to touch the windage screw!  Elevation was off from true zero on the scope by 2 marks (Millet rings were off by 5).  These rings have passed the "bop" test perfectly on the other 2 guns.  Bummer they dont come in silver.    Function before form though.

Toe included per forum standard. 

[billt]

Switch to a set of the Burris Signature Zee Rings and you'll never look back. These rings have the plastic inserts that do not require any lapping because they are self centering. The also are available with off set inserts that allow you to move the scope vertically, horizontally, or diagonally, without moving the scope adjustments. I have these rings on 4 rifles now, and they are the only rings I'll ever use from now on.  Bill T.

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[shooter32]

http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=7703.0



 

[billt]

I should add that I just had another set of these rings delivered yesterday, and I'll be installing them on my new Savage 110 FCP-K in .300 Win. Mag. this weekend. I'll post some pics when it get it all together.  Bill T.

[shooter32]

I should add that I just had another set of these rings delivered yesterday, and I'll be installing them on my new Savage 110 FCP-K in .300 Win. Mag. this weekend. I'll post some pics when it get it all together.  Bill T.

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[Badgersmilk]

"Z-rings":


PLUS they add a plastic liner and have a flat head screw?!?!     

Not even up to par with my mother-in-laws Lorcin .25!  And judging by quality, I think it came in a box of rice crispies. 

[billt]

What you're in fact pointing out means nothing. Whatever scope ring or system you employ is only going to be as strong as it's WEAKEST LINK. In any centerfire scope mounting system employed, that weak link is the 4, tiny 6-48 UNF screws that attach EVERYTHING to the rifle. Everything you have pointed out is moot, simply because you are going to shear those 4 small screws at the receiver long before anything else fails.  

What difference does it make if you have a 1 1/2" safety chain on your trailer, if your hitch is attached to the frame with 3/8" bolts? It is the exact same principal applied here. I have these rings mounted on a .300 Weatherby Magnum that has fired hundreds of rounds. They're still there doing their job without as much as a minute of zero shift. If you think your rifle is "stronger" with these big, heavy, tactical rings, you are only kidding yourself. Weight is the biggest enemy in an optics set up on any rifle. I've had nothing but success with these rings. It doesn't get any better than 100%.   Bill T.

[blackwolfe]

I am no expert when it comes to scopes, rings, mounts, and many other things.  I have a friend of mine that has had several of his rifles that have been factory drilled and tapped for scope mounting altered.  He pointed out the same thing you did Bill about the small screws.  He has a gunsmith rebore and tap the factory mounting points to use No. 8 screws for a stronger mounting system.

From what I understand the heavier a scope mount and rings are the higher the amount of inertial energy can be imparted to them during recoil.  The higher the energy the greater the chance to exceed the strength of the weakest link of the mounting system, or scope.

I may be wrong, but , this all makes sense to me, a simple man.

[tombogan03884]

 No, you and Bill are right.

[Badgersmilk]

Would a scope ring endurance test not be a good Downrange tv topic!?!  Easy enough to choose about a dozen popular ones and setup a test stand / procedure.