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GOP Possibilties for 2012
« on: September 04, 2009, 10:31:59 AM »
Petraeus, Scarborough eyed for '12

 Jim VandeHei, Mike Allen Jim Vandehei, Mike Allen – Fri Sep 4, 6:18 am ET
Top Republicans, inspired by President Barack Obama’s recent drop in popularity, are newly optimistic about their chances of challenging him in 2012 and are focusing on some surprising names.

Some major donors and GOP strategists have approached Joe Scarborough, the host of MSNBC’s "Morning Joe,” about a national run, according to party sources.

Former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole of Kansas, the Republican nominee in 1996, told POLITICO that he would like to see Army four-star Gen. David Petraeus — the head of the U.S. Central Command, which includes Iraq and Afghanistan — run for president as a latter-day Ike.

Some fiscal conservatives, convinced that they’ll never “out-Obama Obama,” are sold on a solid-but-unflashy choice: Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels. Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) was able to generate some early buzz — and news coverage — simply by telegraphing plans for a quick trip to Iowa later this year.

Then there is freshman Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker, a former Chattanooga mayor who cut a high profile as an opponent of the Obama administration’s auto industry strategy and keynoted the South Carolina GOP’s annual dinner in May.

“Several GOP candidates are coming to the view that the way to run against Obama is not to out-Obama Obama with flash or sizzle,” said Dan Senor, an adjunct senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a Bush administration veteran. “They want to go in the opposite direction: smart, back-to-basics, competence.”

It’s a fool’s errand to appraise whether any of these candidates — or the half-dozen other top-tier GOP possibilities — stand a chance in 2012. And top GOP strategists say they recognize that history gives them little chance of unseating Obama if the economy improves noticeably.

Still, there’s been an unmistakable surge in the behind-the-scenes chatter as Obama's poll numbers continue to fall — and it reflects a party that is at least contemplating an out of-the-box approach to 2012.
As much as anything, it’s an expansive search for more options than there are at present, one that could yield a candidate as unorthodox as Scarborough, the youthful former congressman-turned-cable-TV-personality, or as staid as Daniels, the former Office of Management and Budget director nicknamed “The Blade” for his budget-cutting acumen.

The common denominator is that Republican operatives no longer assume — as they did in the opening months of Obama’s presidency — that 2012 will be a fruitless cycle for their party. The comparisons to 1964, a nadir for the GOP, are now being reassessed.

Liz Cheney, a State Department official in the Bush administration, said it is "absolutely" possible for a Republican to win the presidency in 2012.

"The independents who were so critical will come back to the Republican Party when they realize, as they're coming to realize, that we're the ones that can be trusted both on the economy and on national security," she said. "So the substance is a lot more important than: Is it this person? Is it that person?"

One such person floated in a column in The Wall Street Journal is none other than her father, former Vice President Dick Cheney. That's not happening, though it’s sometimes hard to tell with his frequent appearances and sharp political rhetoric.

When asked if it’s even plausible, she replied: "I think no. I mean, I'd love for it to. But no."

Most of the media attention to date has centered on former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the GOP vice presidential nominee in 2008; Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, who was greeted with interest as he courted donors and operatives in New York City this week; former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who lost his quest for last year’s nomination to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.); and others who have flirted with runs before but took a pass, notably former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.).

But for many Republicans, a fresh face who conveys a dramatic departure from the familiar is exactly what the party needs.

"Well, I'd like to see Gen. Petraeus warm up,” Dole said. “I don't know anything about his politics, whether he has an interest. It's kind of a time for another Eisenhower, in my view."

This isn't the first time the popular general's name has been floated as a possible GOP savior — and it won't be the last. Petraeus has political impulses but hasn't revealed if they are conservative ones, and he might not even be a Republican.

The CFR’s Senor is skeptical, even though Petraeus would be an appealing candidate. “He has to be focused like a laser beam on Afghanistan,” Senor said. “If he is as successful in Afghanistan as he was in Iraq, nothing else matters, and he will instantly be considered a top-tier candidate for president.

“But in order to be successful, he has to work very closely and effectively inside this administration, and very loyally to the commander-in-chief. He’s going to work successfully with this administration, and then all of a sudden announce that he’s stepping down to run against the commander in chief under which he served? As a practical matter, that’s unlikely.”

MSNBC’s Scarborough has been told by some big donors that he should make a run in 2012.

“I think he does have aspirations. That is half of it: You got to want it,” said CNBC’s Donny Deutsche, a regular guest on Scarborough’s morning show, who recently raised the idea with him off-camera. “In this day and age, it would almost make sense for [a presidential candidate] to come from media.”

Mika Brzezinski, Scarborough’s co-host, says she hears constant calls for him to run at events the two do together around the country.

“People think his voice and message match where people are today,” she told us.

Still, Brzezinski predicted it won’t happen because he’s committed to the show.

Scarborough was mentioned as possible candidate for Senate seat in Florida earlier this year but told friends he was much happier hosting a popular television show and making money. Since then, he has emerged as a critic of Obama on government spending and other issues — but one who also prides himself in taking on his own party.

Asked about his interest in running, Scarborough said in an e-mail: “I plan to work at 30 Rock for a very long time,” a reference to NBC headquarters in Manhattan’s Rockefeller Center. (Full disclosure: Both authors of this article make regular, unpaid appearances on his show.)

“Morning Joe,” which reaches just under 500,000 viewers each day, is a strong platform for reaching voters and landing speeches before audiences of people who could vote for him or, more importantly, raise money for a presidential run. It’s also a great practice arena for getting up to speed on issues and testing ideas and lines that might one day resonate with voters. 

The show could also hurt him. He has popped off on camera for hundreds of hours, giving any opponent plenty of footage to exploit. And what might make him appealing to a liberal donor in New York — his willingness to reason with opponents and buck his own party — would be appalling to many conservatives.

Ed Rollins, the veteran Republican operative who ran Mike Huckabee’s 2008 presidential campaign, said it’s more likely an elected official like Daniels or Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour could mount a serious challenge to Obama.

The crop of attractive candidates, he said, “will grow and prosper.” As will the speculation on who could pull it off.

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Re: GOP Possibilties for 2012
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2009, 01:07:57 PM »
Good choices all. I'll take anyone over Obama.
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Re: GOP Possibilties for 2012
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2009, 01:11:40 PM »
Good choices all. I'll take anyone over Obama.

Pelosi?  McCarthy?  FWanks? Sanders? ???

Careful what ya wish for ;)
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Re: GOP Possibilties for 2012
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2009, 03:47:05 PM »
Pelosi?  McCarthy?  FWanks? Sanders? ???

Careful what ya wish for ;)

I don't know who Sanders is but even ACORN couldn't get the other 3 elected, not even against a RINO like McCain.
All 3 are local party hacks who only get re elected because they pass out patronage on a local level, none of those 3 could transfer that to the National stage Kerry, Edwards and Gore are out because the Dems never try to re run a past loser. Doesn't matter though, if he is alive the 2012 Dem candidate will be BO.

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Re: GOP Possibilties for 2012
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2009, 04:47:23 PM »
Jo Jo the Clown will win if the economy goes to full depression, and/or hyperinflation. Also if a terrorist attack strikes this country on Obamanure's watch, with the CIA on a short leash, anyone will beat BHO.

The question is: will the voters be blinded again? By a RINO?  That's not a solution either.

After 2008, the whole primary, mega-million dollar candidate election cycle SUCKS!!! and Both parties play the game...
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Re: GOP Possibilties for 2012
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2009, 05:00:31 PM »
Issues have nothing to do with the election process, it's all about Madison Avenue packaging.

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Re: GOP Possibilties for 2012
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2009, 05:21:52 PM »
Pelosi?  McCarthy?  FWanks? Sanders? ???

Careful what ya wish for ;)
Schumer? Hillary?

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Re: GOP Possibilties for 2012
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2009, 06:02:56 PM »
The old campaign question: "Are you better off than a year ago?" Will start being asked by candidates again.

The mid terms might give some indication, especially if Harry Reid is Daschled back home to NV. If the "turnover" in Congress, which has approval ratings approaching the single digits, votes incumbents out, there may be something to go on.

Than again, I am sick of all the inside baseball by both parties and yet to be impressed by any Republican so far.

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At this moment, they all suck. It will be up to them to sway me otherwise.

I nominate Mr. Smith Goes To Washington...It was on the other night on TCM.
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Re: GOP Possibilties for 2012
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2009, 07:43:38 PM »
Part of the problem is that both major parties are obsolete. they are run by old men with old ideas that may have been appropriate for the 50's but have no connection to today's society. The Dems really are the offenders here, I mean come on, "Race relations" ? We just elected a black guy president and they worry about race issues ? As for their socialist agenda that was a failed idea 50 years ago. The Republicans are somewhat better in theory, but in practice they have demonstrated a total lack of direction beyond getting elected, they have not had a platform since the fall of the Soviet Union.
It is time  to get rid of BOTH of them, we need people who will control our borders, cut the size of Govt. by AT LEAST half, slash the meddling regulation, Cut personal taxes and instead tax imports and tax the crap out of US companies who have shipped their manufacturing overseas, cut foreign aid to countries that hate us, end the stupid "War on some Drugs", after 70 years of falling prices increasing supply and growing demand even a retard should be able to figure out that interdiction is a waste of money and effort. The politicians talk about "Govt. waste" ? 3/4 of the Govt. is waste.
Those are the high points, a few others would be no more special health care and retirement perks for Politicians, they get a decent Commercial plan just like the rest of us and handle their own retirement planning. Do away with the Fed, the Treasury Dept. is supposed to handle the Govts money, it's about time we held them to it. And ENFORCE THE 10th Amendment !

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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2009, 09:19:18 AM »
Part of the problem is that both major parties are obsolete. they are run by old men with old ideas that may have been appropriate for the 50's but have no connection to today's society. The Dems really are the offenders here, I mean come on, "Race relations" ? We just elected a black guy president and they worry about race issues ? As for their socialist agenda that was a failed idea 50 years ago. The Republicans are somewhat better in theory, but in practice they have demonstrated a total lack of direction beyond getting elected, they have not had a platform since the fall of the Soviet Union.
It is time  to get rid of BOTH of them, we need people who will control our borders, cut the size of Govt. by AT LEAST half, slash the meddling regulation, Cut personal taxes and instead tax imports and tax the crap out of US companies who have shipped their manufacturing overseas, cut foreign aid to countries that hate us, end the stupid "War on some Drugs", after 70 years of falling prices increasing supply and growing demand even a retard should be able to figure out that interdiction is a waste of money and effort. The politicians talk about "Govt. waste" ? 3/4 of the Govt. is waste.
Those are the high points, a few others would be no more special health care and retirement perks for Politicians, they get a decent Commercial plan just like the rest of us and handle their own retirement planning. Do away with the Fed, the Treasury Dept. is supposed to handle the Govts money, it's about time we held them to it. And ENFORCE THE 10th Amendment !




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