Opinion on open carry.

[TAB]

The USSC disagrees with you, its viewed as speach.

[Timothy]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Please explain how smoking fits in there....I didn't have a right to smoke indoors the last few years I was a smoker!  Where was my right to express my stupidity and smoke?

[TAB]

explane how burning a flag in protest is a 1a right....


its the same deal, the SC said it was.

[david86440]

I've found that people in CA do think a little differently than other places i have lived.

 Not saying good or bad, just wierd.

This is the CA law concerning firearms on/near school grounds:


It is unlawful for any person to possess or bring a firearm upon the grounds of, into, or within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1 to 12, inclusive, or a campus of the University of California, California State University, or California community colleges. (Penal Code § 626.9.)

Yet, I can legally carry on school grounds.

And these are the exceptions:

Exceptions

• Any person authorized to carry a concealed firearm pursuant to Penal Code section 12050.

• A person who has the written permission of the school district superintendent, designee, or equivalent school authority.

• Within a place of residence or place of business or on private property, if the place of residence, place of business, or private property is not part of the school grounds and the possession of the firearm is otherwise lawful.

• If the firearm is an unloaded handgun in a locked container or within the locked trunk of a motor vehicle, or the otherwise lawful transportation of an unloaded long gun.

• The possession or transportation of firearms by a person who is engaged in the business of manufacturing, importing, wholesaling, repairing, or dealing in firearms and who is licensed to engage in that business or the authorized representative or
authorized agent of that person while engaged in the lawful course of business.

• Guards or messengers of common carriers, banks, and other financial institutions while actually employed in and about the shipment, transportation, or delivery of money, treasure, etc.

• Transportation of unloaded firearms by a person operating a licensed common carrier or an authorized agent or employee thereof when transported in conformance with applicable federal law.

• The carrying of unloaded handguns by duly authorized military or civil organizations while parading or the members thereof when going to and from the places of meeting of their respective organizations.

• Any peace officer pursuant to Penal Code section 830 who is carrying out official duties.

• Any person summoned by such peace officer to assist in making an arrest or preserving the peace while actually so engaged.

• Members of federal or state military forces while engaged in performance of duty.

• An armored vehicle guard while engaged in performance of duty pursuant to Business and Professions Code section 7521.

• A security guard authorized to carry a loaded firearm pursuant to Penal Code section 12030.

• An existing shooting range at a public or private school or university or college campus.

• An honorably retired peace officer authorized to carry a concealed or loaded firearm.

[Timothy]

explane how burning a flag in protest is a 1a right....
its the same deal, the SC said it was.

Then quote the case and file so you can prove your contention.  I don't believe you!

Burning a flag is not endangering lives with second hand smoke and Tom's right, the USSC upheld this case in error.  The 1st does not guarantee freedom of expression!  Period

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[Michael Bane]

So, this thread is a good example of the lack of consensus on OC even among veteran gun owners and carriers, right?

This is a tough question...as I've said a bunch lately, I'm in philosophical agreement, but I'm not carting an open gun just yet (except on hikes on USFS land where OC is legal).

There is an immediate benefit for all of us in the OC debate — the old hysteria about "brandishing" by just accidentally revealing a concealed weapon is pretty much yesterday's news.

As to whether anyone is emotionally mature, adult, smart enough, whatever to carry a gun, I don't think that's a discussion we need to be having on a public forum that's regularly read by our sworn enemies. You might not like the way Brady spins your comments...

Michael B

[MikeBjerum]

Thank You Michael!

[seeker_two]

The USSC disagrees with you, its viewed as speach.

...as is the works of Larry Flynt and Robert Maplethorpe. Should the 1st Amendment be infringed and curtailed because of a few reckless individuals like these?....

[TAB]

I think a big part of the OC debate has to do with how you live your life.

Some people just "have to have thier voices heard"  it does not matter what the out come is( good or bad).  I am not that kind of person.  I try very hard to blend in and put "my best foot forward".  Most of you know what I do for a living, I fight sterotypes every time I go out on a bid.   The last thing gun owners need is to be though of as self surving A holes.  Sadly, many gun carryers( OC and CC) are putting that image out there.  There have been countless threads/posts on gun sites about how people force "thier rights" on others and how it leaves a 'bad taste" in the publics mouth.  Even on this site, while I've not seen in OC threads, there have been countless threads/post saying that "concealed means concealed".  Don't think for one second that the Sarah Brady... let me rephrase.   Republican Sarah Brady, and her "gang" don't see that and say:  " see they don't care about other people, they are putting us in danger against our wishes.  we need to stop them from carrying"...   Now some here will disagree with me, but I see knowingly walking past a no guns sign, while armed as a disrepect.  You are thier guest, you should act like you were a guest in thier home.  Trust me, small biz owners spend more time at work then they do at home.  Last year I spent atleast 2 nights a week asleep on my couch at my shop.

 Now before some one says" but the gays did it"  Yes they did, and it worked for a long period of time.  Guess what, it backfired on them recently in CA.  Not only did they push the public too far, they lost thier court case, and will most likly lose thier next court case, which will void all of the marriages that were legal at one point.   they won some battles, but they ended up losing the war.  The micro stamping in CA, is a perfect example of this, Arny signed the Microstanping bill strickly becuase a "gun rights" group, went way overboard challenging the lead hunting ban in certin parts of CA.  Thats not to say you should not fight ever battle, which you should, just don't make an ass out of yourself fighting them.  That will always work against you.

[twyacht]

 I don't think that's a discussion we need to be having on a public forum that's regularly read by our sworn enemies. You might not like the way Brady spins your comments...

If Eric won't, that's a comment of the day award....

Thank's MB.

We are trying to regulate and place "restrictions" on a Constitutional Amendment, that has already been twisted into shall issue and may issue, and open carry is legal vs. brandishing to the terror of the public...

Traditionalists would tell you to piss up a rope, Modern views state we can't have untrained, yahoos walking around with a SERBU, or whatever in open carry, cause it "scares people"....

There is no gray area with the 2nd Amendment.  Thomas Paine wrote Common Sense, it usually applies. Criminals don't give a crap either way,....

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..."
Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, 1798 - Sam Adams

There in lies the premise that if you are an idiot, untrained and undisciplined, with NO CONSCIENCE, and have a firearm, you will be subject to the fundamentals of Common Law, and be asked to leave, arrested, or ostracized.

We can self govern. Imagine that!!! We don't need the Gov't to nit pick with Constitutional Rights, and regulate it more than it already is.

"The job of bureaucrats is to regulate, and left to their own devices, they will try to regulate everything they can."
Steven den Beste