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ericire12

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Look at these statistics
« on: September 15, 2009, 03:43:49 PM »
http://www.oaoa.com/opinion/figuratively-36730-pass-check.html

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According to The New Gun Week, a publication of the Second Amendment Foundation, a new Bureau of Justice Statistics report says that last year 147,000 people were turned down for a variety of reasons. Of those, 28,000 appealed their denials; 11,000 of them were overturned, allowing those law-abiding citizens to exercise their Second Amendment rights. That’s a pretty slipshod system.

There are two ways to look at this issue. One is that 136,000 people whom the government has decided, in many cases through due process, should not own firearms were prevented from buying one from a licensed gun dealer. The other is that 11,000 Americans were denied their rights, if only temporarily. Is that acceptable? For many people, it likely is.
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Re: Look at these statistics
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2009, 05:11:49 PM »
That's nearly 40% of those that appealed were found to be eligable.  That is unaceptable.  I wonder what the percentage of those 147,000 that were denied were truly elegiable, but chose not to appeal.  If I had that kind of failure rate in my profession people may be ill or dead because of it and I would be out of a job if not in jail.  I would certainly be sued.
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Re: Look at these statistics
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2009, 05:13:35 PM »
I would bet most of those 11000, had very common names. 
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2009, 05:55:01 PM »
I would bet most of those 11000, had very common names. 

It is a little more comprehensive then just names..... now that no-fly/no-buy list based on the no-fly list that the liberal loons want to impose... well that is a different story..... Ted Kennedy was even on the no-fly list...... accuracy you can believe in!
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Re: Look at these statistics
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2009, 06:02:38 PM »
It is one more place where Americans are guilty until proven innocent...
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Re: Look at these statistics
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2009, 06:03:50 PM »
Just the ATF/BOJ's way of being the fly in the ointment....for the 11,000. Granted some shouldn't be approved, but the overturned rate seems like red tape BS the gov't is known for.

Something put up a red flag for these folks, at least they stood up for themselves on appeal and were approved.

It is one more place where Americans are guilty until proven innocent...

seems an increasing and disturbing trend,....



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Re: Look at these statistics
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2009, 06:56:25 PM »
I wonder how many of the 11,000 successful appeals used a lawyer vs. the 15,000 that were denied.
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Re: Look at these statistics
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2009, 07:58:55 PM »
Of the 147,000 that were denied, I wonder how many were truly prohibited from purchasing a firearm.  Did they lie on the 4473?  Was there any follow up or invetigations done by the authorities?  Any prosecutions?   If the denied were truly bad guys all the information should be right on the form to investigate further, make arrest, and prosecute.  The anti's will just use the 147,000 number to say that 147,000 bad guys tried to buy guns illegally and were turned down.  Then the'll stretch that to say the bad guys then go to gun shows to buy guns.  I have a friend that has an FFL and he is routinely wait listed when he transfers a firearm to himself.  The slop needs to be fixed in the system and law enforcement needs to follow up on those who are correctly denied.
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Re: Look at these statistics
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2009, 08:04:09 PM »
 The 17,000 who appealed and lost were very likely shafted by the judge, the fact that they went to the expense of appealing would indicate a clear conscience.

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Re: Look at these statistics
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2009, 09:08:45 PM »
Does anyone know what the proceedure is to appeal?
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