.380 Ball for Self-Defense round

[2HOW]

I think thats why they call those "back up guns" not suitable for a primary carry gun. And today you have several full power pistols to choose from which are similar in size. 

[Badgersmilk]

If it's a real "self defense" situation how far away could the two people possibly be from each other?  If I'm not confident enough in my shooting, or in my weapon at ranges around 15' or less...  My death would fall under "thinning the herd" of stupid people.  +1 for the bad guy.   Job well done on his part.

[david86440]

If it's a real "self defense" situation how far away could the two people possibly be from each other?  If I'm not confident enough in my shooting, or in my weapon at ranges around 15' or less...  My death would fall under "thinning the herd" of stupid people.  +1 for the bad guy.  Job well done on his part.

Did you ever consider the fact that some people have disabilities that might just have an effect on their shooting capabilities?

And that when the sh%t hits the fan you may not be shooting from your normal, well practiced stance. It may be in the dark, from inside a vehicle, running (away), or any number of other situations that I or you can't predict. And most of the thugs out here are wearing hoods so that in itself makes for a "let's see, where is his head in there?"

Beyond extremely close range (0-3 feet is "point-blank range" and 3-9 feet is "close range"), handguns are very difficult to shoot accurately. According to Sanford Strong, retired San Diego police SWAT team instructor and author of “Strong on Defense,” police officers miss with 75 percent of close-range shots while criminals miss with 96 percent of close-range shots. And a moving target is even more difficult to hit.

Just my thoughts and I welcome yours.

[2HOW]

Did you ever consider the fact that some people have disabilities that might just have an effect on their shooting capabilities?

And that when the sh%t hits the fan you may not be shooting from your normal, well practiced stance. It may be in the dark, from inside a vehicle, running (away), or any number of other situations that I or you can't predict. And most of the thugs out here are wearing hoods so that in itself makes for a "let's see, where is his head in there?"

Beyond extremely close range (0-3 feet is "point-blank range" and 3-9 feet is "close range"), handguns are very difficult to shoot accurately. According to Sanford Strong, retired San Diego police SWAT team instructor and author of “Strong on Defense,” police officers miss with 75 percent of close-range shots while criminals miss with 96 percent of close-range shots. And a moving target is even more difficult to hit.

Just my thoughts and I welcome yours.



Police are notorious bad shots, in my town they get to practice twice a year , and only when a range officer can be there, which means unless they have a place to practice they are out of luck. Most don't shoot until they have to qualify and thats a joke. Handguns are not difficult to shoot accurately if you practice the basics and train in a realistic atmosphere.

[tombogan03884]

From 2How's Post ;  "if you practice the basics and train in a realistic atmosphere."
That's a pretty big IF though, Between budgets cuts, rising prices, and the recent availability issues several Departments around here have cut back drastically on what training they DID do, in fact, last year a couple of local departments waived the annual qualification.

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[Badgersmilk]

+1 on the .380 as a "backup gun".  And if dealing with a handicap of any kind I'd be trying to find a place to stash a full size .45 such as a G21, with a G30 backup.  More firepower = less handicap .

PD's skipping on even having qualification!?!   Maybe they feel the cops get enough practice in the streets with crime rates what they are.

[tombogan03884]

+1 on the .380 as a "backup gun".  And if dealing with a handicap of any kind I'd be trying to find a place to stash a full size .45 such as a G21, with a G30 backup.  More firepower = less handicap .

PD's skipping on even having qualification!?!  Maybe they feel the cops get enough practice in the streets with crime rates what they are.

HA HA HA LOL    We don't have THAT many Massholes, yet.   I've lived here almost 5 years now, and read the paper every day, in that time 2 people have been tazered, and one of them was an accident.   No cop has fired his weapon in this county (except at the range) since I've lived here.

[Badgersmilk]

Sounds like you've got the national average well beat!

[tombogan03884]

I have to correct my last post, about 2 years ago a Laconia Cop shot and killed a bear at a local tourist attraction, (The game Warden was busy on the other side of the county).

I'd be willing to bet (which doesn't mean I'm right    ) That most of the more rural counties are like that, It's the big cities that drive up the national average. As with gun laws the ignorance of the urbanites skews the statistics.

[MAUSERMAN]

For me .380 is not all that bad as long as shot placement does its job. I realize that .380 is not my G20 in 10mm but i would rather fire off a few rounds of .380 than go at it with cold steel. I have never been one to leave home unprepared, i have practiced judo and thai boxing for a number if years and feel ready for hand to hand. Now if it came down to knife vs gun i wouldnt feel out of place carrying a .380. Its better than throwing rocks.