Don't Forget that CA Microstamping Bill goes into effect in 2010

[david86440]

4 to 1? 25% of a voting population is considered a voting block.
Considering that less than half of registered voters ever show up to vote, gun owners should be a very considerible voting block. If they are not, that means they just don't care, or they are so self absorbed, that they deserve whatever happens to them. Most won't notice something amiss until the front door is kicked in for the search warrant.

I agree. It seems gun owners in CA have the attitude that "oh, that will never happen here" such as this current bill, but it does happen over and over. I think it's too much smoke from the fires, or that weed that grows out here.

It is really the attitude that TAB has trying to convince himself that it won't happen.

the other big loop hole, is if the gun is already on the approved list, it does not need to meet the new standard.

Arny signed the bill in reltailation for a few choice words/actions from a gun group that shall remain nameless.( he said as much in a interview.)   basicly they went gung hoe over the lead ban deal for hunting and got bit in the ass by this POS.  

Tom, barret did the right thing, other companys like STI are the ones I can't stand and will never buy thier products.

for those that don't know, about 8-9 years ago STI pulled all non LEO sales from CA( leos could still buy them)  it was do to a lawsuit bill that passed here.  fast forward a few year, rommie did his thing.  then STI ran an ad campign that they had pulled all sales from CA, only prob was they had already pulled all sales from CA.  They did it strickly to get biz, which is fine, only they claimed it was for political reasons.  Once again thats fine, just don't lie thru your teeth to me.  If they had told the truth I would still respect them as a company.  

Tom as you know, we have more gun owners in CA, then most states have population.  any big company that all of a sudden stoped selling guns in CA would take a huge hit in thier pocket books.  I don't see any major manufactor doing that.  

[TAB]

the county I just moved from had 2.2 millon in it.  its very simple, the bay area and the LA area run the state.   the rest of the state just does not have the population to counter act them.  more countys were won by McCain in the last election then Obama, yet he got 60% of the votes.  Like it or not, to most people in large citys, guns are evil.  Thier only exp with guns is acts of violance.  I've had a gun pulled on me 3 times in my life. I know many other that have had simlar exps.   

[Rob10ring]

I agree. It seems gun owners in CA have the attitude that "oh, that will never happen here" such as this current bill, but it does happen over and over.

If Soros and the other puppeteers that have their hands up our figurehead government's butt get their way, it's going to happen all over the Country. It's not just a saying that as California goes, so goes the nation. It just takes a while and sinister planning and timing.

[david86440]

 Newly Added Handgun Models

Department of Justice Bureau of Firearms
The following handgun models have been recently added to the DOJ Handgun Roster and may be sold, manufactured, etc., within California unless such sale, manufacture, etc., is otherwise prohibited under California
Make     Model      Caliber         Type     Barrel Length           Date Added

Sig Sauer, Inc.  (Sauer, J.P. & Sons,Sig Arms)  P228R (Blued) / Steel,  Alloy   9mm Pistol    3.9"     8/18/2009


And this is just page 1 of 16 pages of the CA de-certified handguns list.........  

Shouldn't TAB be worried?

De-Certified Handgun Models

Department of Justice Bureau of Firearms

The following handgun model listings have expired and consequently have been removed
from the DOJ Handgun Roster and may no longer be sold, manufactured, etc., within
California unless such sale, manufacture, etc., is otherwise expressly allowed.

Make    Model    Caliber    Type    Barrel Length        Date De-Certified

Bersa (Industria Argentina)Thunder 45 Ultra Compact (Matte)/ Alloy, 4140 Steel.45 ACP Pistol 3.6" 9/8/2009

Walther USA (CarlWalther)P1 (Century Int'l) / Composite,Steel9mm Pistol 4.94" 8/21/2009

Kimber Ultra Ten II / Stainless Steel,Polymer.45 ACP Pistol 3" 8/19/2009

Ed Brown Products SF-BB-CAL (Special Forces) /Carbon Steel.45 ACP Pistol 5" 8/16/2009

Firestorm (Gabilondo) Mini Fire Storm 9mm / Blue Steel,Alloy9mm Pistol 3.375" 7/29/2009

Ed Brown Products Executive Target "ET-BB-CAL" /Carbon Steel.45 ACP Pistol 5" 7/18/2009

Kimber Team Match II / Stainless Steel .45 ACP Pistol 5" 7/17/2009

Sturm, Ruger & Co. P95L / Blued Steel, Stnls Steel,Polymer9mm Pistol 3.90" 6/25/2009

Ed Brown Products KC-SS-CAL / Stainless Steel .45 ACP Pistol 4.25" 6/24/2009

Browning Buck Mark Micro Standard URXSE MS / Steel, Alloy.22 LR Pistol 4" 6/18/2009

Browning Buck Mark SE MS Lt Splash 7.25URX FO, Adj S / Steel, Alloy.22 LR Pistol 7.25" 6/18/2009

Sturm, Ruger & Co. KMK512GCUS / Stainless Steel .22 LR Pistol 5.5" 6/18/2009

Sturm, Ruger & Co. P97D / Blue Steel, Polymer .45 ACP Pistol 4.25" 6/13/2009

Magnum Research BE9900RB / Steel 9mm Pistol 3.5" 6/11/2009

Sturm, Ruger & Co. KGP-141TG / Stainless Steel .357 Magnum Revolver 4" 6/3/2009

Sturm, Ruger & Co. KSP-321XTG / Stainless Steel .357 Magnum Revolver 2.25" 6/3/2009

Sturm, Ruger & Co. KP95DPR / Stainless Steel,Polymer9mm Pistol 3.9" 5/27/2009

Sturm, Ruger & Co. P95DPR / Blue Steel, Polymer 9mm Pistol 3.9" 5/27/2009

Sturm, Ruger & Co. KP944D / Stainless Steel, Alum.Alloy.40 S&W Pistol 4.20" 5/15/2009

Wednesday, September 09, 2009 Page 1 of 16
 

[TAB]

if they don't pay the fee, they are removed.  thats nothing new.

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[1911 Junkie]

So, how does this work?

Does this only apply to new firearm purchases?  If I buy a gun that is "approved", then the gun becomes "un-approved", can I sell it to another individual?

[david86440]

if they don't pay the fee, they are removed.  thats nothing new.

My point is the fact that they are no longer available, don't you see what is happening??? Aren't you concerned?

[TAB]

some of those guns are also no longer made.


how it works is a ffl can not sell the gun or transerfer it from out of state.  P2P in state, you can still get what ever you want.

[tombogan03884]

some of those guns are also no longer made.


how it works is a ffl can not sell the gun or transerfer it from out of state. P2P in state, you can still get what ever you want.

At an artificially inflated price

[TAB]

I've never found that to be the case tom.