A rethink of the Patriot Act

[fullautovalmet76]

After 9-11, I supported the Bush administration on the Patriot Act. I thought, like many Americans, it was necessary to prevent another attack. But after all that has happened in the Bush administration and now the Obama administration, I have to say that I was wrong to support it. It was never a good idea to surrender any part of our civil rights for the vague promise of "security". Maybe it's time to reapeal this terrible act and others that are similar to it that were passed in other administrations.

So, what do the rest of you think? If we applied the reasoning from the Patriot Act to 2A rights, would you go along?

[DDMac]

I think the Patriot Act is just a timely advance in methodology, influenced by the new technologies used by our proven enemies. The revulsion  I feel stems from the realization that those working under the authority of The Act, abandoning all Constitutional  integrity, are motivated by politically oriented goals. Neither victory nor justice cannot be expected under such conditions.
Mac.

[TAB]

I think the patriot act knock us down several rungs on the ladder when it comes to civil rights.  By far the most anti civil rights bill In my life time( maybe not some of you old farts      )

[tombogan03884]

 Several of the provisions of the Patriot act are about due to expire.

[r_w]

It is WRONG!!  Worst erosion of freedom in my lifetime--not as bad as what was done to the Japanese Americans in WWII--but that doesn't make it right.

I am all for using espionage outside of our country, but not on our own.

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[tombogan03884]

 The Patriot Act isn't crap compared to the way the commerce clause has been abused to screw you.
I don't hear any one demanding a narrower interpretation of that .
The Patriot Act, while it may be a useful tool in apprehending people who were naturalized under false pretenses ( they did it to avoid surveillance )
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090921/ap_on_re_us/us_nyc_terror

 In the context of this thread it is nothing but a smoke screen. A red herring to divert your attention from the REAL f-cking they are putting on you through "interpretation" of existing laws and arbitrary changes of "policy".

[david86440]

Quite the physical evidence for bomb making.... AA batteries and a scale.

[twyacht]

Someone please name me ONE right of theirs that was violated by the Patriot Act...

Be specific...

[tombogan03884]

Quite the physical evidence for bomb making.... AA batteries and a scale.

I have to confess that I did not read the article, I just grabbed one from todays news, I did not feel like digging for stuff on any of the other GENUINE threats that have been averted such as the attack on Ft Dix.
But I think the documentary evidence "bomb plans" etc will hang them.

[r_w]

Someone please name me ONE right of theirs that was violated by the Patriot Act...

Be specific...

I did not personally have a RIGHT violated, but I have had several personal freedoms and privileges encroached.  Most were due to traveling, the most disconcerting was being forced to submit to fingerprinting to re-enter the country.