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Re: 9mm malfunctions at Lakeland (FL) gun range, shoots three people
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2009, 10:06:49 AM »
When the sear/hammer engagement wears, it is possible for them to engage but not well enough to stay engaged. Usually just the shock from the slide closing will cause it to disengage.

The series 80 parts that are in a 1911 are there in case something like this happens. The firing pin can't travel forward unless the trigger is depressed. The problem is that these parts are easily removed and a lot of shooters do remove them because they have been known to cause malfuctions.
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Re: 9mm malfunctions at Lakeland (FL) gun range, shoots three people
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2009, 10:13:21 AM »
The Glock discharged, sending a 124-grain +P JHP into the ground behind the building.

Quickly moving to the range proper, the validated officer watched as the armorer thrice more attempted to arm the Glock. Twice more it "slam-fired."

On the third and final attempt, it lapsed into a three-shot burst. (As has been oft-observed by the author, full-auto fire is always exciting, but an event best planned for… spontaneity is good in many things, not, however, in firearms!)


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Re: 9mm malfunctions at Lakeland (FL) gun range, shoots three people
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2009, 10:53:19 AM »
Glad no one was killed. But I do have to comment on "Luck of the Irish "  ;D

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Re: 9mm malfunctions at Lakeland (FL) gun range, shoots three people
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2009, 11:11:23 PM »
Jennings.   I nearly bought a .380 Jennings and prior to purchasing I did a quick google search and there are some noted problems.  I decided against buying one and bought a Beretta instead. 

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Re: 9mm malfunctions at Lakeland (FL) gun range, shoots three people
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2009, 11:21:57 PM »
My boss had a Hi power that would sometimes go off when the slide was released on a fresh mag. Thats what happen when triggers get f-ed with. I dont believe in messing with triggers, i have a fear of guns going off before there supposed to.
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Re: 9mm malfunctions at Lakeland (FL) gun range, shoots three people
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2009, 01:35:26 AM »
The Jennings in my particular case was something to do with the sear being in the grip.  If it was squeezed bumped or whatever just right it would go off.

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Re: 9mm malfunctions at Lakeland (FL) gun range, shoots three people
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2009, 08:14:35 PM »
 Jennings are junk, I'm not surprised. Zinc is the problem.

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Re: 9mm malfunctions at Lakeland (FL) gun range, shoots three people
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2009, 09:17:21 PM »
Jennings is now out of business. They went bankrupt due to a law suit. They were put back together and the company is called Jiminez. I bought a .380, Jiminez,  from a dealer at a gun show in Indiana and he told me all this gee-whiz info that I am sharing with you. The weapon was temperamental and I got rid of it. Really loved the shape and feel, but did not perform as expected.... :(
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Re: 9mm malfunctions at Lakeland (FL) gun range, shoots three people
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2009, 10:27:29 PM »
The story is fishy, a pistol, even with a malfunction, does not have enough mass, to cycle unless it is held or braced by something. Especially when laying on a table, providing additional friction on the slide. 1 shot, maybe, multiple, I just can't see it.

Inferior guns going full auto, held in a hand, I have seen more than once, .380 accutek, I sold new, full auto, Jennings, full auto, new in the box.

There is no SEAR spring on a 1911, that can be misinstalled, except for the Gold Cup Colt, all others, the sear spring is part of the 3 or 4 leaf spring, behind the grip safety, now yes you could with good effort, get the leaf spring under the sear, it would take some amount of stupidity or alcohol to do it, but could be done. The trigger should be awful if it worked at all. The gold cup however is a different story. Friend of mine, reassembled his GC, He worked at the indoor range, went out onto the range, dropped his slide on a full mag, in one hand, and it went FA, shot in the wrist, elbow and bicep. FA happens fast when your not prepared.

The disconnector should have stopped it, so I expect this was the failure, if it happened at all.
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