It's not very tactical but it is a Carbine

[fightingquaker13]

Sorry.  Bought it for $135.00 from Sears 35 years ago.  I'll keep it and fix it. (no records )

And those are the ones you never sell. Right there with you.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

C'mon Tom.  Tell me how to strip it bare and fix it!

All I recall was that Mitchell Arms and Universal made a copy of the M 1 Carbine that was a POS they were easy to Identify because they lacked the bolt release near the right rear of the receiver.  

[MAUSERMAN]

Hell the Ruger PC9 makes a great alternative to the M1.

[Overload]

Is 9mm really a better round than .30 carbine?

I'd rate it between .357mag and .44mag, and above 9mm 40s&w and 45acp.

There are two self defense loads in .30 carbine

.30  Gold Dot  100gr 1990fps 219pf
.30  DPX       110gr 2025fps 202pf
  or a standard load
.30 Winchester 110gr 1790fps 196pf
Here are some defensive and hunting loads in 357mag
357  DPX       125gr 1300fps 162pf
357  Cor*bon   180gr 1200fps 216pf
357  Cor*bon   200gr 1150fps 230pf
  compared to standard 357mag jhp
357 Winchester 110gr 1295fps 142pf
  or a standard 45acp ball
45  Winchester 230gr  835fps 192pf
  even a 44 magnum jsp
44m Winchester 240gr 1180fps 283pf

You can see the .30 carbine has some good power.  Not 44 Magnum power, but greater than most pistol cartridges.

it also has better range:
.30 winchester 50yrds 1601fps 626 ft.lbs. energy
.44 winchester 50yrds 1081fps 623 ft.lbs. energy
Hmmmm. The .30 has more Energy (783) than the .44 (741) at the muzzle too. I wonder the relationship between energy and
power factor (pf)

[seeker_two]

Hmmmm. The .30 has more Energy (783) than the .44 (741) at the muzzle too. I wonder the relationship between energy and
power factor (pf)

You see....it's stuff like that which makes me wonder why the US didn't develop the .30C into the military's primary subgun round over the .45 or 9mm.... 

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[TAB]

You see....it's stuff like that which makes me wonder why the US didn't develop the .30C into the military's primary subgun round over the .45 or 9mm.... 

in a word

logistics.

[tombogan03884]

Ordering .30 Cal Ammunition for your M 1 is the classic reason why you DO NOT adopt multiple rounds in the same caliber.

[Overload]

Ordering .30 Cal Ammunition for your M 1 is the classic reason why you DO NOT adopt multiple rounds in the same caliber.

Close, but no.  It's the reason you don't NAME multiple rounds in the same caliber.  You call one a .30 and the other a .31 or 7.5mm or something else (inaccurate). An example is that 357 magnum and 38 special fire out of the same gun.  They both use a .357in diameter bullet.  The 10mm bullet is actually .40 caliber.

[tombogan03884]

Close, but no.  It's the reason you don't NAME multiple rounds in the same caliber.  You call one a .30 and the other a .31 or 7.5mm or something else (inaccurate). An example is that 357 magnum and 38 special fire out of the same gun.  They both use a .357in diameter bullet.  The 10mm bullet is actually .40 caliber.

Another thing about .38, As Overload points out it uses .357 diameter bullet  which is a lot closer to .36 caliber
But that would have caused confusion with the Black powder pistols in that caliber.

[Badgersmilk]

Correct me if I'm wrong.  Didn't the .357 come about because cops were complaining about the .38 bouncing off windshields & stuff?  It was just generally underpowered for their use.