Rep. Raul Grijalva blames our 2nd Amend for Mexico's gun problem

[ericire12]

He said this on his podcast. The 19 second audio is here:
http://talkradionews.com/2009/10/80-percent-of-the-guns-confiscated-in-mexico-are-from-u-s-claims-arizona-democrat/

Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) says 80 percent of the guns confiscated in Mexico are originally from the U.S. He says Second Amendment “implications” have halted any federal interventions to stop the gun running. (0:19)

Email here:
http://grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=49&sectiontree=2,49

[Hazcat]

Raul needs to be repatriated to his ancestral home!

[JC5123]

He said this on his podcast. The 19 second audio is here:
http://talkradionews.com/2009/10/80-percent-of-the-guns-confiscated-in-mexico-are-from-u-s-claims-arizona-democrat/



Email here:
http://grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=49&sectiontree=2,49

I'd like to know where he came up with his facts. But I'll believe them for just a moment, to pose this question: How many of the guns that you "Supposedly" traced to the us, were in fact stolen from armories that the U.S. (this means you congressman) payed for and gave to some South American government, (Columbia comes to mind) and brought up to Mexico?

Ok, the moments over, back to looking at his bogus facts and asking him to back them up!  Oh Wait! I forgot I was dealing with a congress critter. So I'll just shut my pie hole and take everything that comes out of their mouths/asses as gospel.   

[tombogan03884]

 If Mexico's gun problem comes from America, it is FAR more likely to involve some corrupt bastard with ties to both sides of the border than the average gun owner.
Like say, for example, a Mexican American Congressman who wants to divert attention from his campaign contributors.

[r_w]

How many times do you need to repeat a lie for it to become "fact"?

[Sponsor]

[fightingquaker13]

We all have seen how bogus this claim is. 80% of a small sample provided to ATF provided by the Federales (who do not want the number of guns stolen from their own arsenals made public) could be traced to te US, from those that could be traced. This is like 20% of a tainted sample. But you know what? Lets pretend its real and 80% of the guns in Mexico were bought here. So what? Why should I care? Why should I curtail my freedoms to solve their problems? They want us to enact gun control? How about they start policing their side of the border to keep drugs and illegals out (say requiring a stamped passport to reenter the country)  as a show of good faith? Until then they can kiss my ass. The only concession the good congressman can give them, with my approval, is to end the prohibition on some drugs and make the whole mess go away. What do you know, a problem solved by providing LESS government control, rather than more. What a concept.
FQ13

[JC5123]

We all have seen how bogus this claim is. 80% of a small sample provided to ATF provided by the Federales (who do not want the number of guns stolen from their own arsenals made public) could be traced to te US, from those that could be traced. This is like 20% of a tainted sample. But you know what? Lets pretend its real and 80% of the guns in Mexico were bought here. So what? Why should I care? Why should I curtail my freedoms to solve their problems? They want us to enact gun control? How about they start policing their side of the border to keep drugs and illegals out (say requiring a stamped passport to reenter the country)  as a show of good faith? Until then they can kiss my ass. The only concession the good congressman can give them, with my approval, is to end the prohibition on some drugs and make the whole mess go away. What do you know, a problem solved by providing LESS government control, rather than more. What a concept.
FQ13

So what you are saying is that if we just legalize cocaine, then the Mexican Mafia will stop trying to overthrow an already corrupt government in a third world country? Sorry I don't buy it. It kinda sounds like the theory that if we just leave the middle east, the terrorists will stop trying to kill us.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for less government, but by legalizing illicit drugs you are asking for way more problems than you are solving. Just look at San Francisco.

 The real solution here is the obvious one. Button up the borders tighter than a frogs ass. If you don't have documents, then your ass gets airmailed back home, and I don't mean on Delta. I'm taking about loading you up in a crate and parachuting you out of the back of a C-130 wherever we THINK you came from.

But that would be bad for the Democrat voting base, which amazes me since it is the Democrat party that is the most racist group in the country. 

[tombogan03884]

So what you are saying is that if we just legalize cocaine, then the Mexican Mafia will stop trying to overthrow an already corrupt government in a third world country? Sorry I don't buy it. It kinda sounds like the theory that if we just leave the middle east, the terrorists will stop trying to kill us.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for less government, but by legalizing illicit drugs you are asking for way more problems than you are solving. Just look at San Francisco.

 The real solution here is the obvious one. Button up the borders tighter than a frogs ass. If you don't have documents, then your ass gets airmailed back home, and I don't mean on Delta. I'm taking about loading you up in a crate and parachuting you out of the back of a C-130 wherever we THINK you came from.

But that would be bad for the Democrat voting base, which amazes me since it is the Democrat party that is the most racist group in the country.  

   If they continue selling drugs they become "business men", like post Prohibition Brewers, with a stake in keeping the Govt stable. If they don't have the huge profits that prohibition generates, they do not have the funding to be a serious threat to the Govt.

How ? What worse problems than a multi billion dollar money hole, that breeds corruption, violent crime, and justifies any concievable erosion of our civil liberties ?

I DO however agree with sealing the border, I've commented on that before.

[r_w]

FQ,
If that were true, the ATF would have disappeared after the 21st amendment.

[PegLeg45]

The real solution here is the obvious one. Button up the borders tighter than a frogs ass. If you don't have documents, then your ass gets airmailed back home, and I don't mean on Delta. I'm taking about loading you up in a crate and parachuting you out of the back of a C-130 wherever we THINK you came from.

That's pretty good, JC.