Rep. Raul Grijalva blames our 2nd Amend for Mexico's gun problem

[fightingquaker13]

So what you are saying is that if we just legalize cocaine, then the Mexican Mafia will stop trying to overthrow an already corrupt government in a third world country? Sorry I don't buy it. It kinda sounds like the theory that if we just leave the middle east, the terrorists will stop trying to kill us.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for less government, but by legalizing illicit drugs you are asking for way more problems than you are solving. Just look at San Francisco.

 The real solution here is the obvious one. Button up the borders tighter than a frogs ass. If you don't have documents, then your ass gets airmailed back home, and I don't mean on Delta. I'm taking about loading you up in a crate and parachuting you out of the back of a C-130 wherever we THINK you came from.

But that would be bad for the Democrat voting base, which amazes me since it is the Democrat party that is the most racist group in the country. 

Three problems with that JC
1 Where do you think the Mexican mafia gets its money? No illegal drugs=no revenue beyond ordinary crime which really doesn't pay that well.
2 While you are right that we should close the border  it won't solve the problem. There is too much desert and too few resources to solve this by playing coyote vs the road runner. Just like the drug war, you will never win by trying to shut down supply whle the demand is still there. The real solution is to start serious fines and jail time for those who hire illegals. Without the jobs they won't come. No demand=no supply.
3 this leads to the third problem. The Dems and GOP want the latino vote and both are in bed with businesses that profit from illegal labor and don't want to go to jail for hiring them.

Until you muster the politcal will to stop the hiring, you will never stop the flow of illegals no matter what the penalty. The drug war and prohibition  proves this.  Stop the drug war and defund (eg disband) the cartels and we and Mexico can save a lot of money and a lot of lives. The only losers are the addicts and their families. Sad, yes, but no one is forced to stick a needle in their arm. You buy the ticket, you take the ride.
FQ13

[PegLeg45]

Three problems with that JC
1 Where do you think the Mexican mafia gets its money? No illegal drugs=no revenue beyond ordinary crime which really doesn't pay that well.
2 While you are right that we should close the border  it won't solve the problem. There is too much desert and too few resources to solve this by playing coyote vs the road runner. Just like the drug war, you will never win by trying to shut down supply whle the demand is still there. The real solution is to start serious fines and jail time for those who hire illegals. Without the jobs they won't come. No demand=no supply.
3 this leads to the third problem. The Dems and GOP want the latino vote and both are in bed with businesses that profit from illegal labor and don't want to go to jail for hiring them.

Until you muster the politcal will to stop the hiring, you will never stop the flow of illegals no matter what the penalty. The drug war and prohibition  proves this.  Stop the drug war and defund (eg disband) the cartels and we and Mexico can save a lot of money and a lot of lives. The only losers are the addicts and their families. Sad, yes, but no one is forced to stick a needle in their arm. You buy the ticket, you take the ride.
FQ13

Allow me, Tom..........."Never underestimate the power of a little bit of rope and a tall tree."

[fightingquaker13]

Allow me, Tom..........."Never underestimate the power of a little bit of rope and a tall tree."

True, but
A That ain't going to happen and
B Should we be hanging a hotel maid or the greedy bastard that lured her with the offer of a job?
FQ13

[JC5123]

True, but
A That ain't going to happen and
B Should we be hanging a hotel maid or the greedy bastard that lured her with the offer of a job?
FQ13

Why not both. If there are stiff consequences on both sides, then neither will try to "get away with it".

[Hazcat]

True, but
A That ain't going to happen and
B Should we be hanging a hotel maid or the greedy bastard that lured her with the offer of a job?
FQ13

BOTH!

My proposition is

1. If you hired an illegal (either knowingly or by not checking documents) then you lose your business.  We sell (or give) it to someone that will follow the rules.

2. If you are an illegal then you go home!  Got an 'anchor' baby?  TOO BAD!  They can stay in foster care or go home with you!

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[ericire12]

BOTH!

My proposition is

1. If you hired an illegal (either knowingly or by not checking documents) then you lose your business.  We sell (or give) it to someone that will follow the rules.

2. If you are an illegal then you go home!  Got an 'anchor' baby?  TOO BAD!  They can stay in foster care or go home with you!

Works well, but not as much fun as giving high end sniper rifles to the Minute Men and telling them to fire at will Pepe!

[graywolf]

Perdonme Senor Grijalva, la problema es con el gobierno de Mexico no los Estados Unidos!  See I knew 4 years of High School Spanish would come in handy someday. 

[fightingquaker13]

Perdonme Senor Grijalva, la problema es con el gobierno de Mexico no los Estados Unidos!  See I knew 4 years of High School Spanish would come in handy someday. 

If we don't stop this crap you may need more. Hell I can't even talk to my butcher in English. Press two for Spanish? How about pressing 3 for go the f..k home?
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

FQ,
If that were true, the ATF would have disappeared after the 21st amendment.

No, because they have been regulating the taxation of  Booze since Washington was Pres. they just went back to that function.

Three problems with that JC
1 Where do you think the Mexican mafia gets its money? No illegal drugs=no revenue beyond ordinary crime which really doesn't pay that well.
2 While you are right that we should close the border  it won't solve the problem. There is too much desert and too few resources to solve this by playing coyote vs the road runner. Just like the drug war, you will never win by trying to shut down supply whle the demand is still there. The real solution is to start serious fines and jail time for those who hire illegals. Without the jobs they won't come. No demand=no supply.
3 this leads to the third problem. The Dems and GOP want the latino vote and both are in bed with businesses that profit from illegal labor and don't want to go to jail for hiring them.

Until you muster the politcal will to stop the hiring, you will never stop the flow of illegals no matter what the penalty. The drug war and prohibition  proves this.  Stop the drug war and defund (eg disband) the cartels and we and Mexico can save a lot of money and a lot of lives. The only losers are the addicts and their families. Sad, yes, but no one is forced to stick a needle in their arm. You buy the ticket, you take the ride.
FQ13

Then change the law to make them legal .
The Constitution says :
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec8
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
They swore to up hold the US Laws they should either enforce the law or change it..

[tombogan03884]

If we don't stop this crap you may need more. Hell I can't even talk to my butcher in English. Press two for Spanish? How about pressing 3 for go the f..k home?
FQ13

   There's hope for you yet FQ