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Re: Boycott Shotgun News!
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2009, 11:04:52 AM »
I for one do not spend my money where they call me a fool.  Money talks.
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Re: Boycott Shotgun News!
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2009, 05:53:48 PM »
The 2nd Amendment, utilized with local and state legal rights to open carry just scares some sheeple, people...

Whether their pro gun or not, I'm reminded that 130,000,000 million U.S. guns killed no one today, by the legal armed citizenry of this country.

If a writer, is too PC to realize that, than too bad for him. He can go to Canada..





Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny of government. That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants."
Col. Jeff Cooper.

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Re: Boycott Shotgun News!
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2009, 06:17:05 PM »
Can't really demand his head. We have have had exactly the same argument here among ourselves . Need to just except the fact that  some people who are just as intense in their support of the 2A such as even Mossad Ayoob think that open carry is self defeating.
I, on the other hand think that if we settle for concealed carry our rights will assume an out of sight out of mind status, which is more likely to lose support than gain it.

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Re: Boycott Shotgun News!
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2009, 01:17:01 PM »
I received a response to my e-mail today;

Clayton E. Cramer wrote:
> I'm not ashamed.  I said that open carry, if you had some alternative available to you, wasn't an effective way to win people in the middle.  There is a difference, you know.
>

My reply is as follows;

Really? You could have fooled me. Just to ensure that I did not overreact, I reread your article and I still see a person who thinks that our right to keep and bear arms is something to keep out of sight, a sin to be hidden, like those disgusting faggots should be hiding their perversions from the rest of us.

Yes, I am straight, and over the years I have found a lot of things that have been done by homosexual activists disturbing. I myself believe that many have gone too far in their zeal and desire to get in peoples faces (men dressing up like nun's and simulating sex acts comes to mind) and the idea that ones sexual orientation entitles one to special rights and legal protections is nonsense. I believe this sort of thing did a disservice to those who simply wished to end the discrimination and bigotry that existed in our society and that many people WERE driven to greater levels of fear and hatred of homosexuals and increased the counter-reaction against the homosexual movement. However, without the parades, the 'Kiss ins' and all the rest, would homosexuals be better off? Would staying in the closet and out of sight have changed the minds of millions, weakened or gotten rid of anti-homosexual laws and customs and allowed huge numbers of people to stand on who and what they are instead of hiding from their families, society and even themselves?

I have a CWP from the state of Montana, but I carry openly at every possible opportunity, why? Because hiding my firearm might help protect my person, but does nothing for my rights, it does nothing to show others that they having nothing to fear from my weapons. The hoplophobes will ALWAYS fear and distrust us and our weapons, theirs is not a philosophy but a pathology. Yes, seeing a pistol resting peacefully on the hips of their fellow citizens might drive some into the arms of the anti-self defense movement, but it will cause others to question why they were ever afraid in the first place. In America, for far longer than I have been alive, those who believe in firearms rights, and indeed the right of self-defense in general, have allowed their enemies to set the agenda. We have allowed those who hate and distrust THEMSELVES, much less the rest of society, to determine the laws and customs in this country. We have allowed ourselves to be portrayed as racists, bigots and seething cauldrons of barely suppressed rage awaiting only some tiny provocation to unleash our unquenchable thirst for human blood. All my life I have been told to hide my love of firearms and shooting as some secret sin, "don't let the neighbors know." and "people will think you're some kind of nut", well no more.

The gun-culture in this country has been like a battered spouse, always looking to ourselves for why we keep getting beat up. I cannot count the times I have heard that we have to compromise, we have to go along to get along. Hide your guns, keep your lifestyle a secret, don't let your kids talk about it, just one more law, one more rule, one more restriction and they will leave us alone. Has it worked? Has allowing the Pete Shields and Sarah Brady's to set the agenda made our rights safer? Has living in shame and begging the media for forgiveness of our lifestyle gained us societal acceptance? Have our constant attempts at appeasement gained us anything but more frequent and vocal abuse? If staying in the closet has not worked for 40 years, why should we believe it will work now?

It is time for ALL OF US to come out of the closet. It is time for us to stand up and be counted, for all the MILLIONS of gun owning Americans to tell politicians and the media and the anti-self defense zealots that we will no longer lay down for them. We will no longer hide, no longer cower, no longer allow them to project their fears and insecurities on us with impunity. It is time to say NO! No more compromises, no more deals, we demand to be left alone, free to exercise our rights without hindrance or let. Is hiding your gun going to do any of that?

Patrick K Martin
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(The one hope of the doomed is not to hope for safety)
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Re: Boycott Shotgun News!
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2009, 01:54:58 PM »
Warhawke
I respect your POV. BUT I guess I am like one of those closeted gays you praise (Eric, Tom, don't even start). By this I mean I carry, I have a Glock in my waist band as I type this. I also believe people should be able to open carry. Even if I could though, I wouldn't. Why? First I don't want to scare the cops. A scared cop is a dangerous cop. Second I am afraid that seeing my gun, someone would follow me to the parking lot, get my plate and know which house to break into when I was gone. Third, I  don't want the BG to know I have a gun till I decide to let him know I have it. Finally, and as importantly, I undestand that a lot of folks just don't like guns. Why rile them up for no reason when you've still got the gun? Tuck your shirt in and make it an issue, or untuck it and keep it "out of sight out of mind"? Which seems smarter? The best way to win a fight is by avoiding one. Just sayin'.
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Re: Boycott Shotgun News!
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Re: Boycott Shotgun News!
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2009, 02:08:12 PM »
Their is no need to boycot Shotgun News.  Just flood the letters to the editor with negitive letters about Mr. Cramer's views.
Just when we are gaining some ground is not the time to go and become a nancy girl or to roll over and play dead like a good puppy.  We need to educate the sheep people that when you see a person with a gun in plain view that they are the good guy's and will stand beside them when needed.

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Re: Boycott Shotgun News!
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2009, 03:07:45 PM »
FQ posted
I understand that a lot of folks just don't like guns.

I don't know about YOU, but my rights are dependent on the Constitution, not what some Momma raised metro sexual is "comfortable" with .

FQ posted
I understand that a lot of folks just don't like guns.  (Yes I know it's the same quote )

My reply is "tough sh!t, I don't like fat women in spandex, but it's still legal.

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Re: Boycott Shotgun News!
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2009, 03:13:03 PM »
There oughta be a law against that.
""It may be laid down as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every Citizen who enjoys the protection of a free Government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at a Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency." - George Washington. Letter to Alexander Hamilton, Friday, May 02, 1783

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Re: Boycott Shotgun News!
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2009, 03:16:37 PM »
There oughta be a law against that.

At LEAST an OSHA policy.   ;D

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Re: Boycott Shotgun News!
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2009, 06:51:37 PM »
warhawke,

The your response to the response was excellent. I don't believe I could have written better and I will not be a forum monster and try.  Bravo, my friend.


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