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[JC5123]

Taxpayers should only have the right to vote.

If taxation without representation is wrong, isnt representation without taxation equally wrong

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[Hazcat]

There are a fare few small business owners that do not pay any taxes as they don't make the threshold (especially in the first year or two).  What of those type of people?

[JC5123]

There are a fare few small business owners that do not pay any taxes as they don't make the threshold (especially in the first year or two).  What of those type of people?

Ok fine, exception. But you are still talking about CONTRIBUTING members of society.

[ericire12]

There are a fare few small business owners that do not pay any taxes as they don't make the threshold (especially in the first year or two).  What of those type of people?

They should not have a vote. Just like people on welfare or unemployment should not have a vote. If you dont pay taxes in a given year, then why should you have a say in how they are used. If you arent helping to pay for the system, then you should not have a voice in how the system is run.


*However, its not that simple.... they are probably paying payroll taxes and perhaps taxes on property plant and equipment.... and you have to look at if the owner is drawing a salary or not.........  its not just about taxes on their profits..... but maybe it should be.... it would bring an end to some of the creative accounting that is out there.

[Hazcat]

They should not have a vote. Just like people on welfare should not have a vote. If you dont pay taxes in a given year, then why should you have a say in how they are used. If you want to paying taxes into the system, then you should not have a voice in how the system is run.


*However, its not that simple.... they are probably paying payroll taxes and perhaps taxes on property plant and equipment.... its not just about taxes on their profits..... but maybe it should be.... it would bring an end to some of the creative accounting that is out there.

Eric, You honestly want to take away the vote from a person that is self employed and may even provide jobs to a others simply because the tax code is written in such a way that he did not pay taxes?  How about farmers (or any business) that have a loss that year so large that it wipes their tax debt out?  These are hard working people, not on the dole, trying their best to make a business!

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[ericire12]

Eric, You honestly want to take away the vote from a person that is self employed and may even provide jobs to a others simply because the tax code is written in such a way that he did not pay taxes?  How about farmers (or any business) that have a loss that year so large that it wipes their tax debt out?  These are hard working people, not on the dole, trying their best to make a business!

Its the exact same thing as the whole land owners only concept. The idea being that you protect the country from those people whose only reason for voting is to procure entitelments. Thats why the founding fathers made it a requirement to own land. Back then thats who the productive members of society were. They werent trying to disenfranchise anyone or oppress anyone.

I just personally think that requiring people to be contributors to the tax revenues would be a more viable choice in today's society. Why would you want to exclude people who live in a rented apartment or rented home.... it would exclude a lot of the elderly, single people, and many other hard working Americans. You could also nit-pick it into "well they are paying on a mortgage, but they dont technically own their home yet, so....."

I also think that it gets closer to the root cause of the problem that is plaguing our country......... What are ya gonna give me if I elect you?

[Pathfinder]

They should not have a vote. Just like people on welfare or unemployment should not have a vote. If you dont pay taxes in a given year, then why should you have a say in how they are used. If you arent helping to pay for the system, then you should not have a voice in how the system is run.


*However, its not that simple.... they are probably paying payroll taxes and perhaps taxes on property plant and equipment.... and you have to look at if the owner is drawing a salary or not.........  its not just about taxes on their profits..... but maybe it should be.... it would bring an end to some of the creative accounting that is out there.

I own land.

I am unemployed.

I pay taxes.

Therefore I don't vote just because some asshole in CA can't run his business right? Bite me. Wrong here Eric.

[Hazcat]

Which is why I say instead of saying who can vote (other than MUST be a provable citizen) it is easier to say who CANNOT vote, eg "anyone receiving welfare cannot vote". (unemployment is not welfare, you paid into it)

[ericire12]

I own land.

I am unemployed.

I pay taxes.

Therefore I don't vote just because some asshole in CA can't run his business right? Bite me. Wrong here Eric.

You pay taxes... get in line and vote.

If someone continues to remain on the govt dime to the point where they are not paying taxes and are only taking money from the govt then they can not vote.... if they dont like it they can get a source of income, start paying takes and vote.

Which is why I say instead of saying who can vote (other than MUST be a provable citizen) it is easier to say who CANNOT vote, eg "anyone receiving welfare cannot vote". (unemployment is not welfare, you paid into it)

Also accomplishes the same thing. I just think that if people are not shouldering the responsibility for paying for running this country then they should not be able to say how the money is spent.

[tombogan03884]

 The vote can not be limited to "property owners" , To many tax payers and business owners are housed in RENTED properties.
Vote can not be denied to people who work hard but don't make enough to pay taxes.
EVERY ONE pays taxes whether it is sales tax, gas tax or whatever, EVERYONE pays SOMETHING. If you try to approach the problem from the question of who CAN vote you wind up with something as f-cked up as the current tax code.
Haz has the answer, if you are on Welfare, food stamps, heating assistance, or any other "Aid program"  or you are not a citizen you go to jail or get deported for entering a polling place during an election.