4 minutes to see where were headed by the stroke of the pen

[MikeBjerum]

President

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Senator

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

Congressman and Vice President

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

Everyone in the big buildings in DC took one of these very recently.  We need to remind them that supporting and defending does not mean turning over to others!

[WatchManUSA]

This treaty issue kind of broke the code for me.  Most of our Presidents just leeave office, build their Library, give speeches and work on philanthropic endeavors.  Every one in while they pop off and get their name in the news.

Well, perhaps our Maximum Leader wants a new challenge after his term(s) expire.  Perhaps he wants to be Maximum Leader of the World.  It could be part of the grand design.  I'm just sayin'...

Also, Tom, we have access to this board through the efforts of Michael Bane and the Halloway's under the banner of the Outdoor Channel.  Please, don’t mess it up with talk of violence and death.

[tombogan03884]

This treaty issue kind of broke the code for me.  Most of our Presidents just leeave office, build their Library, give speeches and work on philanthropic endeavors.  Every one in while they pop off and get their name in the news.

Well, perhaps our Maximum Leader wants a new challenge after his term(s) expire.  Perhaps he wants to be Maximum Leader of the World.  It could be part of the grand design.  I'm just sayin'...

Also, Tom, we have access to this board through the efforts of Michael Bane and the Halloway's under the banner of the Outdoor Channel.  Please, don’t mess it up with talk of violence and death.

 I guess these would offend the crap out of you.

http://en.thinkexist.com/quotes/thomas_jefferson/2.html

“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.”
 Thomas Jefferson quote
“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.
 Thomas Jefferson quote
“Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people.”
 Thomas Jefferson quote
“If ever there was a holy war, it was that which saved our liberties and gave us independence”
 Thomas Jefferson quotes
“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains or slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take but as for me; give me liberty or give me death!”
 Patrick Henry quotes

After a couple minutes reflection I think I should point out to you Watchman, the 1st Amendment protection of free speech, if it protects some one else's right to burn the flag, it also protects MY right to say that those treasonous bastards in Washington should all hang, be stood against a wall and shot, hit on the head like cattle, or any other economically feasible method of execution . If you don't approve, TS.
While that is your right I suggest you think about this, the Founders of this great experiment, the freest, most productive and prosperous of nations, Pledged their lives, their treasure and their sacred honor to throw off the shackles of oppression.
If you actually think what you posted may be true, yet you chastise ME for advocating the same cleansing action that gave birth to this Nation  with out submitting any other option that has not been attempted and failed, then are YOU not part of the problem, rather than part of the solution ?

[WatchManUSA]

I guess these would offend the crap out of you.

http://en.thinkexist.com/quotes/thomas_jefferson/2.html

“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.”
 Thomas Jefferson quote
“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.
 Thomas Jefferson quote
“Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people.”
 Thomas Jefferson quote
“If ever there was a holy war, it was that which saved our liberties and gave us independence”
 Thomas Jefferson quotes
“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains or slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take but as for me; give me liberty or give me death!”
 Patrick Henry quotes

After a couple minutes reflection I think I should point out to you Watchman, the 1st Amendment protection of free speech, if it protects some one else's right to burn the flag, it also protects MY right to say that those treasonous bastards in Washington should all hang, be stood against a wall and shot, hit on the head like cattle, or any other economically feasible method of execution . If you don't approve, TS.
While that is your right I suggest you think about this, the Founders of this great experiment, the freest, most productive and prosperous of nations, Pledged their lives, their treasure and their sacred honor to throw off the shackles of oppression.
If you actually think what you posted may be true, yet you chastise ME for advocating the same cleansing action that gave birth to this Nation  with out submitting any other option that has not been attempted and failed, then are YOU not part of the problem, rather than part of the solution ?

With My previous post on this topic I was trying to point out that this is not your blog.  Others pay for us to pontificate.  As I said, this board is through the efforts of Michael Bane and the Halloway's under the banner of the Outdoor Channel.”  As such we and you are guests who get to meet here, share ideas and opinions on a vast array of topics. 

Tom, I don't care what you say or where you say it.  You can scream FIRE in a theatre if you want.  I don't care.  On your blog you can do whatever you wish to your heart's desire.  It's your space, you pay for it.  You know I even agree with most of what you say but this talk of death and killing is getting out of hand.

People used to say that you were trying to funny or using sarcasm to make a point in past comments about armed revolution, killing politicians.  But apparently, according to yourself, you are no longer joking when you are saying, “You folks think I'm exaggerating, or an extremist when I say we have no choice but to start killing these bastards. But I ask you, what other answer is there to "f-ck you, I won " ?”

To me you do sound like an extremist.  It sounds like you have some bloodlust needing to satisfied and want to bypass the electoral process and start shooting.

We, as a people, have not lost our ability to influence our elected officials.  Our form of self government has not been exhausted.  Tom, you may see the end but we are not there yet!  We can fight this as a people at the ballot box.  We may get to the point of armed revolution, God help us if we do, but we ain’t even close yet.

I don’t mean that as a joke.  I think you might need to get some help for depression – seriously man!

[twyacht]

Watchman, Tom can fight his own battles, but being a DRTV Ranger which is an "appointed" title, should kinda enlighten you.

By all account every single one of us are probably already on a "watch" list, and according to BHO, already "extremists".

Hang on I have to get the rifle and Bible off my lap..

You never talked to Marshal'ette before have you?

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
President Thomas Jefferson

Reference "the pressure cooker" and search previous DRTV topics regarding it.

There is a line in the sand, and BHO is getting closer all the time.

Nov. 2010 will give us what? New scumbags who throw the most money at their election? Or the blind sheeple that keep re-electing the Pelosi's of the country?

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[Pathfinder]

Watchman, Tom can fight his own battles, but being a DRTV Ranger which is an "appointed EARNED" title, should kinda enlighten you.

By all account every single one of us are probably already on a "watch" list, and according to BHO, already "extremists".

Hang on I have to get the rifle and Bible off my lap..

You never talked to Marshal'ette before have you?

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
President Thomas Jefferson

Reference "the pressure cooker" and search previous DRTV topics regarding it.

There is a line in the sand, and BHO is getting closer all the time.

Nov. 2010 will give us what? New scumbags who throw the most money at their election? Or the blind sheeple that keep re-electing the Pelosi's of the country?

Fixed it.

Great poster BTW - stole it!   

[twyacht]

Thanks Pathfinder, I stand corrected. My fingers got away from me.

[tombogan03884]

  Thank you TW and Path.
Watchman,
First off in your PC rush to judgment you conveniently ignore half my post. Do you have a BETTER IDEA ?
Utilizing the Ballot box since the time of FDR has been an abject failure because the scumbags who get elected extend the vote to wino's the mentally handicapped and illegal aliens (Why else would they prohibit checking ID and Citizenship )
They also tell you sheep anything you want to hear if they think it will get a vote


Americans have been trying to utilize the soap box to voice their opposition to these socialist wacko's since before last April 15th and what has THAT accomplished, it has gotten Citizens called terrorists, extremists, unpatriotic, Nazi's. and their demands for Congress and the president to limit their spending spree and obey the Constitution are ridiculed, laughed at, and ignored


NOTE This douche bag allegedly represents my district


That only leaves one other choice
 " We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends."

 You think I'm depressed ? Damned right I am , just like Cassandra got depressed when the Trojans ignored her warnings about Greeks bearing gifts. You hide your age in your profile so I will assume you are fairly young, and tell you that I remember what America was like, and this current nanny state where a cities Mayor can regulate what FOODS are eaten there sure as HELL is not America.

I think you are either a federal employee trying to justify his paycheck, (which, being unemployed myself, I can understand, if not excuse ) or you are a blind fool who lacks enough historical awareness to realize that the "usurpation's and abuses" that led to rebellion against King George have been so far exceeded by by our runaway Congress as to call into question the manhood of our citizens.
I will follow the quote from the Declaration with a modern example until I have gotten tired of typing ;
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

Obama ignoring Gen McChrystal should cover this one.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
Federal resistance to the current spate of "States rights bills"
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their substance.
Czars, or Tsars if you prefer
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
We don't even know how many gunbearing federal enforcement agencies there are, even the dept. of Agriculture has a SWAT team. But the so called "war on Drugs fits this as it has been a drain on our Constitutional rights since  it was passed.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
 UN  
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
This also goes back to the war on some drugs and the payoffs received through unjust forfeiture laws
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
Should need no comment
My supper is getting cold so I will close this with one more and a comment
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

The tax rate that drove the Colonists to insurrection was 4% What are YOU paying ?

      

[MikeBjerum]

Sitting around and trying to warm up this evening (150 miles on bike today - 120 on mine and 30 test driving a brand new, less than 500 miles, Ultra Classic with last 25 miles in the sleet), and I'm watching The Patriot.  Makes me think of another favorite, Braveheart.  Appropriate for this discussion is the question, the men depicted in these movies drew a line in the sand and took a stand, where is our line, and when do we stand at it?

Have we drawn the line clearly, and are we making it clear to our elected officials where we stand and where we expect them to start and stop?

[tombogan03884]

The problem, as some one else recently posted , is LEADERSHIP . More precisely that we have none. The Colonists had prominent RESPECTED men like Adams, Jefferson and Washington to rally behind. In fact, recovering stolen weapons was only part of the British mission o 4 Apr. 1775, the other objective were the arrests of Adams and Hancock.
Would modern Patriots rally to the defense of  Alan Keyes, or Glen Beck ?
Would we have risen in arms at the arrest of McCain (Yeah I know, but he was the one who ran against BO ).
Bill O'Reilly (Who is a dem and actually somewhat of a liberal ) Rush , Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter,these people are actually doing exactly the same as Franklin, Hamilton, Paine, etc, they are calling BS on abuses of the people by the Govt..
The difference that is causing us problems is that they can no longer spread their message by posting it  on the side of a building as the old time news sheets (called "Broadsides") were. They have to refrain from calling for decisive action in order to retain their "bully pulpit". Will Sarah Palin be America's Joan of Arc ? I don't know, but she has taken the first 2 steps of gaining the ear and respect of THINKING Patriots,  ( FU FQ ) and shifting her focus from the corruption of "Old Boy" political machines to the unrestricted internet. Ron Paul ? Sure, he's been defeated before, so wasn't Reagan.
Another question though, is either of them radical and ruthless enough to actually DO the job if they get the office ?
Regardless, with out a leader we remain disgruntled individuals, with a leader to rally behind, even one who does not completely agree with your ideas, we become a movement.
But with or with out Leadership, eventual victory WILL be ours if we remember that the Irish fought for their freedom for 800 years. Even as Leaderless individuals we can NEVER be defeated. We can be killed, but the ideals of Liberty can not be extinguished. Each of us who falls is an inspiration to others.