Lying jurors in Palatine massacre sentencing

[Clark Kent]

Now the SOB admits that he's against capital punishment, despite saying during jury selection that he could impose the death penalty on one of the two piles of chicken droppings who herded seven people into a restaurant cooler and shot them dead.  This 21-year-old so-called  "open-minded" juror said one other juror also opposes the death penalty even tho he made the same dishonest declaration during jury selection.   A$$holes. 

[GUNS-R-US]

Do you have a link to the story?

[fightingquaker13]

Whether he lied depends on exactly what he said. The Court has held that jurors who are generally opposed to the death penalty, but wouldn't take it off the table, can't be excluded for cause by the prosecution. The flip side is true for the defense. It's the always and nevers that can be automatically removed.
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[tombogan03884]

 Click on the blue "SOB" in Clarks post. I don't know how it's done but that's the link.

FQ, What he said AFTER was ""I strongly felt that the death sentence shouldn't have been used," Derrick Hatchett, 21, of Chicago, said Wednesday, a day after he and juror Pablo Laboy refused to sign a verdict of death. "If someone is going to murder someone, it doesn't mean we have to murder them. It's murder either way."

Ironically, Degorski's lawyers had sought to exclude both men from the jury after each expressed during jury selection a willingness to impose the death penalty. Cook County Circuit Judge Vincent Gaughan denied their request after both assured him they could remain open-minded.

[GUNS-R-US]

Thanks Tom I didn't see that.

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[fightingquaker13]

Then he ied in voir dire. The first part "I strongly oppose", is border line. The second bit about "it being muder either way", indicates a total unwilligness to apply it. Whether they will go after him for perury is doubtful, but they probably could.
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[tombogan03884]

Hope they jail him .

[Clark Kent]

The candya$$es could always say they had a "change of heart."  I believe the only way you can be convicted of perjury is if you lie under oath about something that can be proven you knew or did.  Perjury is rarely charged, because it's so hard to prove intent. 

This is a good example of why it's so hard to predict a jury's mind.  Ideally jurors are supposed to use only reason to arrive at a verdict, but it's unrealistic to discount emotion. 

Another irony in this case is that Rich and Ann Ehlenfeldt opposed the death penalty, as do their daughters.  But one of the daughters, Joy, is quoted as saying, in effect, that she'd have waived that "principle" in this instance.

[PegLeg45]

I have a standard reply concerning folks (the jurors) of this ilk.......... Bastards.        

[pioneer]

Golly gee-wiz, a juror lied during voir dire.  What a, umm, er, yawn, surprise.  About the only thing he will get is an ass chewing by the judge, if that.