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Re: Penalty For Vigilante Justice. Where Would You Be?
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2009, 04:14:39 PM »
They still have a rough time. Guy in a small town I used to live in went to prison for molesting one of the neighbors kids. Heard he complained about spending all his time getting bent over.
Served him right.


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Re: Penalty For Vigilante Justice. Where Would You Be?
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2009, 04:19:40 PM »
My last several years as a police detective was spent investigating child abuse and sexual assault crimes.  Many of those kinds of crimes often lead to murder of the victim.  During my investigations I often had to counsel the parents, usually the father, to not harm the suspect.  If the father harms or kills the suspect, then the father must go to jail.  Then the child must get through a very rough time in his / her life without their father.  Parents, both parents, must be there to support and help their child heal.  Because our system is set up on the rule of law, we must let that system work.  Does it always?  No, certainly not.  Do sex offenders always get the punishment they deserve?  No, they don't.  Why?

Too often when parents try to take matters into their own hands, they harm the criminal case.  An investigator's best weapon against perverts is the ability to conduct a forensic interview.  Often that interview is successful because the investigator is able to take him by surprise and trip him up on his own statements.  When a parent or other adult confronts an abuser, the suspect is forewarned and more difficult to get a confession from.  Sometimes they will flee the jurisdiction before the police can get their hands on them.  I've never known a child abuser who has only done it one time.  If the case is jeopardized by well meaning amateurs, not only is that case harmed, so are all of the other crimes he (mostly men) has committed.  I never stopped with just one case, but once I got a confession in my cases, I always went fishing for others in his past.  

Most sex crimes lack an important element; that of a third party witness to the crime.  Even with physical evidence, a confession is very important to obtaining a conviction.  Criminal defendants and their attorneys will invent very creative ways to explain how the suspect's DNA came to be on or in the victim.  The trick is, to convince the jury that the defendant is guilty.  There is almost never a guilty plea in such crimes, at least at first.  Once the defense attorney sees a solid case against their client, they usually convince them to plead guilty and try for a reduced sentence.  I've been successful in nearly all of my cases presented to the DA, with many guilty pleas and convictions.  I've sent many sexual offenders to prison, and the stories about child abusers in prison is NOT a myth.  

It is a very macho thing to sit back and say what you would do, but until it happens, you really don't know.  Harm the suspect and there's a good chance he will get away with a light prison sentence, while you sit in prison as "an example" to not take the law into your own hands.  

Before you dismiss what I have to say because I've never been there, both of my children (now adults) were sexually abused as children.  I've been there.  Twice.  
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Re: Penalty For Vigilante Justice. Where Would You Be? (Update w/ BG PIC)
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2009, 07:30:58 PM »
Here's his lowly scumbag self, after his ass kicking.

I think they still were too easy on him..




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Re: Penalty For Vigilante Justice. Where Would You Be?
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2009, 08:33:20 PM »
Pioneer, good valuable words!

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Re: Penalty For Vigilante Justice. Where Would You Be?
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2009, 09:07:30 PM »
You can kill him right away or kill him if the Courts don't serve justice and it's still murder. Pioneer is an intrepid believer in the Court system but I think there are a few people who do not share that conviction. There's a liklihood your status as an leo influenced your outcome and if so I say good on you. For most people justice stops when they run out of money but trusting the system is best in the long run.

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Re: Penalty For Vigilante Justice. Where Would You Be?
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Re: Penalty For Vigilante Justice. Where Would You Be?
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2009, 09:25:52 PM »
Having seen what some one goes thru after they are attacked(for both an adult and a child) there is nothing that can be done to them that even comes close to the harm they have done.
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Re: Penalty For Vigilante Justice. Where Would You Be?
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2009, 10:25:12 PM »
Pioneer, thanks for your perspective, it is completely right legally, and I respect what you have done, and feel bad for you, to have done it, must have been very hard, but necessary. I can't imagine doing it, looking at kids molested or killed, by people such as this. Then trying to explain it to the parents. A lot of things I am capable of, that one is at the extreme of my list.

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I had a different answer, involving good friends and a shovel, but I'll defer at this time.

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Re: Penalty For Vigilante Justice. Where Would You Be?
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2009, 11:02:59 PM »
Pioneer, thanks for your perspective, it is completely right legally, and I respect what you have done, and feel bad for you, to have done it, must have been very hard, but necessary. I can't imagine doing it, looking at kids molested or killed, by people such as this. Then trying to explain it to the parents. A lot of things I am capable of, that one is at the extreme of my list.

Thank you for your service.

I had a different answer, involving good friends and a shovel, but I'll defer at this time.

I got into a pickle a while back with another man trying to attract my wife, good friends told me, don't go after this guy, don't talk to him, let us take care of it. Luckily, it worked out ok without their help. GOOD FRIENDS.
That's a different game though. Your wife and the guy were both adults. Maybe you win, maybe you lose, there's no excuse for violence. Adults get to choose. If she prefers him over you, that's the way the ball bounces and move on. If she prefers you, you win. Kids though, it's a different story. They don't get the choice. Ethically, Pioneer is right. We are either a society based on the rule of law, or we aren't. Take your pick, even when what's legal doesn't fit with what's just, that's the price we pay for not looking like Somalia. The moral point, as opposed to ethics is this. Is it more important to be there for kid every day and be their dad, or avenge them and be seperated by being in jail? That's the tough call in cases like this. Justice says kill the SOB, love (for your child) says let it go and be there for them. I don't have kids, but I do have Godkids and little cousins I love dearly. If this happens, I hope that I will act in their best interests.
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Re: Penalty For Vigilante Justice. Where Would You Be?
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2009, 08:34:06 AM »
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Re: Penalty For Vigilante Justice. Where Would You Be?
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2009, 08:55:23 AM »
That's a different game though. Your wife and the guy were both adults. Maybe you win, maybe you lose, there's no excuse for violence. Adults get to choose. If she prefers him over you, that's the way the ball bounces and move on. If she prefers you, you win. Kids though, it's a different story. They don't get the choice. Ethically, Pioneer is right. We are either a society based on the rule of law, or we aren't. Take your pick, even when what's legal doesn't fit with what's just, that's the price we pay for not looking like Somalia. The moral point, as opposed to ethics is this. Is it more important to be there for kid every day and be their dad, or avenge them and be seperated by being in jail? That's the tough call in cases like this. Justice says kill the SOB, love (for your child) says let it go and be there for them. I don't have kids, but I do have Godkids and little cousins I love dearly. If this happens, I hope that I will act in their best interests.
FQ13 who is just praying that the dad gets jurors like us at his trial

More faux "libertarian" BS.

There is a huge difference between what's "legal" and justice. A lot of things today are not legal - by design - to take responsibility away from the individual and give it to the gummint. Pioneer is right but only in terms of how the system has been gamed today. He is not right when it comes to justice. Justice means that you stop those that threaten your family in any way, and the so-called "legal" (gamed) system looks into it, sees it as righteous self-defense for your family and then looks the other way.

With the system gamed the way it is, cops enforce the law (even though they have the discretion not to) and some piss-ant gummint thug in a suit humping for the next promotion destroys your life to build his gummint cred. And that is wrong.
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