Conservatives Don't Need A Leader

[fightingquaker13]

So whats your point FQ ? The stupid people are right ? Wasn't it George Mason who said the Majority is an ass ?
What do YOU suggest ? Government by incompetents ? we've been doing that and it doesn't work.
Smartest comment you made was to carry out a purge. But not of the Party, of the Country.Any one who wants to have socialism can, in Cuba, or China. Not here.

If getting the smart people to support you was enough, we'd have a Libertarian in the White House. The key is you've got to get to 51%. If we had a parlimentary system, or even fusion, a conservative party would work. As it is, you need most of your base and a majority of the moderates. This means that you guys and the folks and the Huffington Post will be forever dissapointed. Purity is great, but it won't win general elections. Case in point Olympia Snowe. Suppose a hard core conservative beats her in the primary. What are his odds of beating a centerist Dem in the general? Or Charlie Crist here in Fl. If e were nominated, he would win the Senate seat in a walk. As it is, he's probably going to either lose or be so badly beaten up in the priary that a Dem might win.The rules of the game dictate against a "pure" party winning anything outside of Utah or Vermont.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

No what we need is that purge you suggested, then NO VOTE for welfare recipients and illegal aliens. The biggest advantage the socialists have is the propaganda from the leftist media and fools like you. I have no respect for libertarians after what I've seen up here with the Free State Project.

[fightingquaker13]

No what we need is that purge you suggested, then NO VOTE for welfare recipients and illegal aliens. The biggest advantage the socialists have is the propaganda from the leftist media and fools like you. I have no respect for libertarians after what I've seen up here with the Free State Project.

No argument with most of that. If you're on the dole, no vote. The LP is a complete joke, but largely because its made itself irrelevant by seeking ideological purity (Randians vs Friedmanites vs anarcho-capitalists, as though anyone cared). I like the platform, hate the party, but thats still more than I can say about the Dems or GOP. Still, unless you can attract the middle or push for a fusion system in each state, you're screwed as a "pure" conservative party. As far as the Media, FOX is number one among cable news networks and the right dominates talk radio.
FQ13

[Pathfinder]

This is the first bad comment I've heard about Pawlenty.
When they picked the new head of the Republican party they had 4 candidates.
They picked the only one who owned no guns.

As a MN neighbor, what I see is Pawlenty is more of a willow than anything else - moving with prevailing winds. He may be rooted in some measure of centrist-conservative values, but he seems to follow FQ's warped faux "libertarian" approach and try to compromise those values to accomplish - something. And he seems to have his ass handed to him for doing so.

Just a view from across the Red River.

[JC5123]

No argument with most of that. If you're on the dole, no vote. The LP is a complete joke, but largely because its made itself irrelevant by seeking ideological purity (Randians vs Friedmanites vs anarcho-capitalists, as though anyone cared). I like the platform, hate the party, but thats still more than I can say about the Dems or GOP. Still, unless you can attract the middle or push for a fusion system in each state, you're screwed as a "pure" conservative party. As far as the Media, FOX is number one among cable news networks and the right dominates talk radio.
FQ13

The only idealogical purity that the LP seeks is that we return to the founding principles of the country. i.e. limited government. That means that government hold personal property as sacred, and does NOT see our money as theirs first. I know that this will be a bitter pill for you FQ, but if you look around and watch the polls, what you will find is that a majority of Americans (the ones who truly have a right to be upset) agree with these ideals.

Have you stopped to consider that this is the reason for the dominance of conservative talk radio and Fox news? Because they actually support these principles. People identify with this. Or it could be because they are the only media actually reporting the truth.

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[tombogan03884]

Pathfinder and WatchmanUSA, I had not heard these things about Pawlenty and I thank you for making me aware of them.
The same things can be said about Romney, He may have done well managing the Salt lake olympics but as Gov. of Ma he was a RINO. He was the one who signed their PERMANENT AWB.

[tombogan03884]

FQ, You should bear in mind that 3% of the population MADE this country, By the end of the first Revolution there were more Americans serving the King than serving the Rebellion. But we overcame that to build the greatest nation in the history of the world.
Something else to keep in mind, the Militia was a GOVERNMENT organization. It's composition and training was established by  British law, while members may have been required to supply their own weapons, expendables such as powder, lead, rations, and uniforms were supplied by the Crown. In the decade preceding the rebellion it was taken over by more radical elements  who voted in Officers more loyal to their community than the Crown so when conflict erupted the militia was solidly on the side of the local Patriot leaders in opposition to the forces sent from overseas.
The same tactics have been used by the Communist and socialist elitists to seize control of the Democratic party, while the Republicans have allowed themselves to be swayed by "moderate" dem lite RINO's like McCain and Steele.
It is well with in the abilities of Conservatives to do the same thing. It really doesn't even matter which party we take over, although the traditional Republican platform is more in keeping with our beliefs. Once control of the party LEADERSHIP has been acquired discipline can be maintained through campaign funding. Those who, Like Snowe and Collins, in Me, don't follow the parties principles,see challengers getting funding from with in their own party while they get none.
The "Libertarian Party is a waste of votes, money and other resources as they re to fragmented and are perceived by to many people as only being interested in promoting dope smoking and Gay rights. Any one who votes for them is throwing away their vote as a ineffectual protest ignored by all.

The reason Conservatives dominate talk radio is because liberal/leftist talk shows have minumal listers so sponsors don't waste their money there.

[Pathfinder]

Tom - I think many of us outside the NE are well aware of Romney's RINO-itis.   

BTTT - Realistically, I do think we do need some form of a leader. There is a huge feeling of disengagement from the process, as it sinks in to people that they flat-out do not matter, that the kongress kritters will do as they please regardless of how others feel or see it. Watch for the end of 2010 - if ACORN helps steal elections (they are still around folks, and Soros et al. will undoubtedly make up for any lost gummint funding) to keep the statists in power, then IMHO all hell will break loose. Even worse if the economy starts tanking again. Hey, the election will be over, and 2 long years to bho having to stand again - if he even wants to, he may be done with his tasks by then.

It would be nice to have a figurehead to galvanize that reaction, that anger and hostility and find ways to put it to good use.

[tombogan03884]

Path, I have tossed a couple of smartassed comments into this thread but in fact I agree with you. While a multiprong approach is effective the members of the Conservative movement tend to run around like headless chickens. While a bottom up grassroots movement is a great method of mobilizing the population, it can never hope to attain it's goals until it has a Figure head to rally behind, and a Leader, or steering committee to decide THIS is important NOW, that we can address at a later date, and the other thing needs to have some sort of compromise worked out .
It was not the Minute Men who made our first Revolution, They merely sparked the fighting in defense of the ideas and principles being hammered out by the Committees of Correspondence, and it was the Committee members who established the Continental Congress that declared Independence, and prosecuted the war of liberation.

[tt11758]

You guys crack me up. The GOP got its ass handed to it twice, because it wasn't conservative enough? Thats like the Dems saying that BOs popularity is declining because he's not liberal enough. No gays in the military, no serious gun control, we still haven't ratified Kyoto or shut down GITMO, thats the problem . Here's a clue, most Americans aren't conservative or liberal, they're moderates, leaning slightly right. They are Blue Dog Dems or RINOs (same difference really). The Dems tried for ideological purity in the late Sixties and got it with McGovern. They only now recovered thanks to W. and the DLC. If the GOP purges the RINOs (that heinous beast), where do you think their supporters will go? Y'all go ahead and have your purges, get out the long knives and achieve ideological purity. I'll bring the popcorn.
FQ13

Ok, smartass, explain two things to me, in light of your comments. 

1)  If the country is moderate with a slight lean to the right, why the hell did they (you) elect a Marxist/Socialist as President?

2)  Kindly explain the two Reagan landslide victories.


I realize that I'm not an all-knowing member of the intellectual elite, so please, Mr. professor, enlighten me.