13 dead and 30 wounded at Fort Hood military base

[seeker_two]

is this considered a "Gun Free Zone"    or are they able to have CCW on base ?

Most military bases are the epitome of gun control.....all arms are locked away and issued only when being used for training or deployment. Only MP's allowed to carry...and then in varying states of readiness (sometimes w/o mag loaded in firearm).

Shooter probably brought his own guns on base instead of signing out a weapon...which would explain why he used pistols  instead of a M-4 or a SAW....

Early reports suggested that he had two or more accomplices. I'll be interested in knowing if this was a "lone gunman" or a concerted attack.....

[Pathfinder]

just a question  


is this considered a "Gun Free Zone"    or are they able to have CCW on base ?

In essence, yes it is a gun free zone. Unless you're on the range, live ammo and carrying a weapon is a no-no. MPs and base security are the sole exceptions.

PS: Phil, please update the title of your post to refelct the current known toll. Thanks.

[philw]

In essence, yes it is a gun free zone. Unless you're on the range, live ammo and carrying a weapon is a no-no. MPs and base security are the sole exceptions.

PS: Phil, please update the title of your post to refelct the current known toll. Thanks.

that really surprises  me  I would of expected that  that not to be the case  with the time that it would take to get everything out of the armoury  if it hits the fan I would of thought they would of been allowed to keep there sidearms or be allowed to have there own at a minimum


guess The "religion of peace" strikes again,

once again may his victims rest in peace.

[Hazcat]

Gun Free Zone!

[alfsauve]

On many bases many of those on "guard duty" didn't even have ammunition.  (this is pre-9/11....things may have changed)  Heck when I had to pull "the duty" all I was given was the web belt and holster.....no gun even.   In theory the belt represented my temporary authority and everyone was to obey my commands.....ha.

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[Timothy]

The last base I was stationed, we squids were the ONLY defense force within 300 miles.  We were alone on the N. CA coast in the middle of Humbolt County.  We had no security at all and most us of carried our own personal sidearms on and off the base because of mountain lions, bear and other things that had the capacity to do harm.

When we were actually performing our Guard dutys, we were given a 1911 and two empty mags along with a Remy 870 riot gun with no shells.  The reason for this dates back to 1957 when they were building the facility.  One of the Plankholders confronted an intruder, called them to "Halt", when no response was recieved, he fired and killed the intruder.

The intruder was later identified as one of the farmers cows that the Government had bought the land from, he was not happy.

[Hazcat]

Fort Hood soldier describes horrific scene to family in Utah
November 5th, 2009 @ 10:00pm
By John Daley

NORTHERN UTAH -- The news of the mass shooting at Fort Hood Thursday hit close to home for some Utahns. One man says his daughter heard the shooter exclaim "Allah Akbar" as he opened fire.

We want to stress that no government or military officials are reporting that and there is no way for us to independently confirm that it is true.

The family from northern Utah agreed to talk to us, on the condition we not identify them and blur out some photos they've supplied, because they're worried their daughter could get in trouble with her superiors for making public what she told her family she saw.

The soldier's father says his daughter was at Fort Hood Thursday when the shooting happened, and she called him, frantic and upset, soon after.

"She said, ‘Dad, I'm OK. Don't worry, I'm OK.' And initially I said, ‘What are you talking about?' She said, ‘Haven't you heard?' And I said, ‘No.' And she said, ‘We've been attacked by terrorists,'" the father explained.

He told KSL News soldiers were sitting in a staging area for medical and dental checks when the group was startled by gunfire.

"A person behind counter stood up, and he said, ‘Allah Akbar!' And just opened up on everybody," the father told us.

Again, that's what the man tells us his daughter said, but no one else is saying that and we cannot confirm whether it's true. He, himself a military veteran, says at first his daughter thought it was some sort of drill but quickly discovered it wasn't.

"It was within a second or two she realized it was real because the person right next to her was shot and killed instantly," he said.

The man says his daughter immediately fell to the ground and played dead. He says he contacted KSL because he thought people should know what happened there.

It was a difficult day too for Bev Haws, in Sandy. Her son Timothy, a staff sergeant at Fort Hood, has been to Iraq twice and is getting deployed again soon. She says she too was shaken when she heard the news and talked to her son.

"Terrified. It's like having him in Iraq when you have something like this happen. You hear something happens, and you know where he's at, and it scares you," Haws said.

Obviously, there are many more questions than answers. No doubt we can expect to learn a lot more in the coming days about the man who the military says fired those fatal shots.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=8572568

Emphasis (BOLD) is mine

[TAB]

On many bases many of those on "guard duty" didn't even have ammunition.  (this is pre-9/11....things may have changed)  Heck when I had to pull "the duty" all I was given was the web belt and holster.....no gun even.   In theory the belt represented my temporary authority and everyone was to obey my commands.....ha.

thats intresting, when I was a coastie, when we were issued a weapon, we had to load up and put one in the chamber.  not doing so got you in deep doo doo

[Timothy]

News reports the shooter used a FN Five-seveN.  That explains the amount of shooting involved, several twenty round mags will do the trick...

[twyacht]

FN 5.7 very effective round, designed in the late 90's to protect VIP's dignitaries, diplomats, etc,... by security personnel that needed to penetrate light armor/or vehicles.

Coined a "cop killer" in 2005. Velocities over 2000fps. Very light recoil.

Shooter bought his at "Guns Galore" legally in TX. some years ago.

Your right Timothy, pocket full of 20rd mags. (NBC just called them clips), would lay down a lot of rounds very quickly.

Officer that got shots into him first, was a woman LEO hired by the base, she was shot and wounded. But still managed to hit him 4 times.