Author Topic: 13 dead and 30 wounded at Fort Hood military base  (Read 17767 times)

Timothy

  • Guest
Re: 13 dead and 30 wounded at Fort Hood military base
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2009, 05:52:46 PM »
Jack Jacobs guess that there may have been some friendly fire involved.  I think that's rather irresponsible for him to speculate about that at this point but he may be right.

13 Dead and 43 wounded is a lot of hits for one guy with two handguns.

tombogan03884

  • Guest
Re: 13 dead and 30 wounded at Fort Hood military base
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2009, 07:39:03 PM »
High velocity rounds in a confined area it's possible that multiple people were being hit with some of the rounds.

PegLeg45

  • NRA Life, SAF, Constitutionalist
  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13267
  • DRTV Ranger
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 1366
Re: 13 dead and 30 wounded at Fort Hood military base
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2009, 10:03:45 PM »
Shooting reveals tensions over Muslims in the military

  By Nancy A. Youssef and Leila Fadel, McClatchy Newspapers Nancy A. Youssef And Leila Fadel, Mcclatchy Newspapers   – 2 hrs 1 min ago

WASHINGTON — The killings of 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas , by an Army psychiatrist who also was a Muslim set off a rancorous debate Friday that once again spotlighted the fear among Muslims in America that they'll be collectively found guilty for the actions of one man.

Vitriolic exchanges filled Internet sites devoted to military affairs, with some posters arguing that Muslims should be barred from the armed services.

News reporters deluged the Silver Spring, Md. , mosque where the Fort Hood shooting suspect once worshipped, demanding to know what the Quran, Islam's holy book, has to say about such events. One even asked if the suspect, Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan , who was born in Virginia and lived his whole life in the U.S., spoke with an "accent."

Anita Husseini , who also worships at the Muslim Community Center , said she didn't know Hasan, but she knew that what he's accused of doing would affect her life and those of others.

"My heart cried last night," said Husseini, a hairdresser. "Every time the Muslims try to get up, something goes boom and pushes us back. What a crazy person decides does not define me or Islam."

"They're trying so hard to pin this on Islam," said Arshad Qureshi , the mosque's chairman. "They're working so hard to make it about religion."

U.S. military officials repeated Friday that the motive behind Thursday's shooting remains unclear. Hasan remains unconscious after a civilian policewoman shot him four times, and he hasn't spoken to investigators.

Investigators seized his computer after news reports said that someone named Nidal Hasan had posted messages comparing suicide bombing missions to Japanese kamikaze pilots.

Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone , the base commander at Fort Hood , said that witnesses to Thursday's mayhem reported that Hasan had shouted "Allahu Akbar," or "God is great," in Arabic, as he opened fire with two handguns on clusters of soldiers who were waiting for medical examinations and other processes in the sprawling base's Soldier Readiness Processing Center. The phrase is a traditional Muslim invocation.

Cone and others, however, turned away questions about Hasan's religion, and Cone said there's no evidence that Hasan was part of a wider plot.

Maj. Gen. Kevin Bergner , a Pentagon spokesman, said there was no doubt within the military hierarchy of the loyalty of Muslim service members. He said the military will take steps to make sure "everyone is treated with dignity and respect."

Posters to Facebook and participants in chat rooms and popular military sites were less circumspect, revealing a bitterness that Muslims say they've often felt since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 .

Someone started a Facebook page called "Against muslims in military!...or in presidency" — a reference to the false claims that President Barack Obama is a Muslim.

One poster said he agreed with banning Muslims from the military.

Another commenter wrote: "Whoever you are you're an idiot. It's a shame you weren't at Ft. Hood."

Muslims make up less than 0.3 percent of America's active duty military forces. Of the roughly 548,000 soldiers in the U.S. Army , there are 2,500 Muslims, 1,500 of them on active duty. By comparison, 105,000 claim Roman Catholicism as their religion, and 99,000 say they're Baptists. More than 1,800 soldiers say they're Jewish, surpassed by the nearly 2,500 who identified themselves as atheists. More than 101,000 list no religious affiliation.

That was the case with Hasan, according to Pentagon officials, even though interviews at the Silver Spring mosque make it clear that he was an observant Muslim who prayed daily — and often in uniform.

Mona Ayad , the administrative assistant at the center, said that Hasan would come to prayer quite often, volunteer at the mosque, contribute money for the poor as Islam requires and answer phones.

He wasn't a loner, but he wasn't particularly social either. He stopped coming over the summer, apparently when he was transferred to Fort Hood .

Imam Mohamed Abdullahi Sheikh Mohamed , the mosque's chief cleric, said he knew Hasan from his frequent appearances at the mosque and knew he was a military doctor. However, he said Hasan never brought up his work with the U.S. military.

"He was not violent, he seemed calm . . . I was shocked," Mohamed said. "It's absolutely unacceptable what he did . . . He was a doctor. He was supposed to help people."

Hasan's religious affiliation also was known to his military colleagues, and may have caused tensions.

Hasan's family said that he was harassed for his faith and the Washington Post quoted his aunt Friday as saying Hasan had sought legal help in an effort to get out of the Army . On Friday, there were other reports that another soldier at Fort Hood keyed his car, causing about $1,000 in damage, and that someone removed a bumper sticker that read "Allah is Love."

Khallid Shabbaz, one the Army's six Muslim chaplains, said in a television interview Thursday that he talked to Hasan recently about becoming a Muslim chaplain, but didn't explain why he didn't choose him.

One Army chaplain talked to McClatchy on the condition of anonymity out of fear that an interview would turn Thursday's shooting into a religious issue.

The chaplain said that some Muslims are conflicted about honoring their duty while fighting other Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan . In those cases, Muslim soldiers usually prefer talking to a Muslim chaplain, he said. They also more often turn to Muslim chaplains when they feel harassed in the military.

The chaplain said that many of the soldiers he talked to feel betrayed mainly because Hasan is a fellow soldier.

"This is not a Muslim issue. It is a soldier issue. It is a punch in the gut," he said.

The chaplain said Muslim soldiers most commonly ask for help finding a place to worship where they serve. Some mosques, he said, don't want to serve soldiers.

Others ask about the Christian faith to better understand their comrades; Christian soldiers often ask about Islam as well, either to understand the communities they're fighting in or the soldiers with whom they're serving.

At the Muslim Community Center where Hasan prayed for five years, congregants, the imam and board members were deluged Friday with different versions of the same question.

"Does Islam condone this?"

Qureshi, the mosque's chairman, spent Friday morning and most of the afternoon telling reporters that Islam is a religion of peace. Multiple times, he was asked to explain why Hasan would do something like this.

By 2 p.m. , he was tired. He'd seen Hasan come to the mosque and pray, but he had no idea why the man would open fire at an army base.

"We've been here 35 years quietly. We're just as American as everybody else," Qureshi said.

"It's a tragedy and we're so sad about it," said Ayad, the administrative assistant. "But it doesn't have anything to do with us or Islam . . . I wish we could separate ourselves from this tragedy."

In his Friday sermon, Mohamed paid his condolences to the families of the people who'd been killed. He quoted a verse from the Quran that says taking one innocent life is like killing humankind.

"I ask the media people not to relate all the time everything to Islam," he said over loudspeakers.

The phone calls kept coming. "It's the L.A. Times," Ayad would state to anyone in the room. "It's CNN ."

"This is just a nightmare," she said as she hung up the phone. "He's the person that you'd least expect, from what I've seen of him."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/3351217
"I expect perdition, I always have. I keep this building at my back, and several guns handy, in case perdition arrives in a form that's susceptible to bullets. I expect it will come in the disease form, though. I'm susceptible to diseases, and you can't shoot a damned disease." ~ Judge Roy Bean, Streets of Laredo

For the Patriots of this country, the Constitution is second only to the Bible for most. For those who love this country, but do not share my personal beliefs, it is their Bible. To them nothing comes before the Constitution of these United States of America. For this we are all labeled potential terrorists. ~ Dean Garrison

"When it comes to the enemy, just because they ain't pullin' a trigger, doesn't mean they ain't totin' ammo for those that are."~PegLeg

Hazcat

  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10457
  • DRTV Ranger
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: 13 dead and 30 wounded at Fort Hood military base
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2009, 06:30:55 AM »
Quote
The chaplain said Muslim soldiers most commonly ask for help finding a place to worship where they serve. Some mosques, he said, don't want to serve soldiers.

A telling quote there!
All tipoes and misspelings are copi-righted.  Pleeze do not reuse without ritten persimmons  :D

jaybet

  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3773
  • NRA Life Member, DRTV Ranger, Guitar Player
    • Bluebone- Burnin' and Smokin'
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: 13 dead and 30 wounded at Fort Hood military base
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2009, 07:15:07 AM »
Another sad day. Its a shame, but in some ways Islam is like a handgun... it is something a person takes to themselves and, on it's own, does not kill. When you combine it with radical ideas  or craziness, carelessness, or all of the above, the COMBINATION is deadly. That's the situation, rendered down to the basics.
Also, military bases are in essence, "Gun free zones". How's that workin' for us?
I got the blues as my companion.

www.bluebone.net

Sponsor

  • Guest
Re: 13 dead and 30 wounded at Fort Hood military base
« Reply #25 on: Today at 11:07:33 PM »

Bic

  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 833
  • It's just a pen name...
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: 13 dead and 30 wounded at Fort Hood military base
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2009, 07:40:36 AM »
I shouldn't be surprised at this paragraph, I've long been aware of the pathetic state of journalism:

"Muslims make up less than 0.3 percent of America's active duty military forces. Of the roughly 548,000 soldiers in the U.S. Army , there are 2,500 Muslims, 1,500 of them on active duty. By comparison, 105,000 claim Roman Catholicism as their religion, and 99,000 say they're Baptists. More than 1,800 soldiers say they're Jewish, surpassed by the nearly 2,500 who identified themselves as atheists. More than 101,000 list no religious affiliation."

Why pick and choose these stats? they leave, by my reckoning, 220,000 folks unaccounted for, or are we to assume there are no Lutherans, Episcopaleans, Church of Christ'ers in the military?
Best Wishes, Mike.

Hazcat

  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10457
  • DRTV Ranger
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: 13 dead and 30 wounded at Fort Hood military base
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2009, 07:47:03 AM »
Trying to show that the 'religion of peace' is just like every one else.  Let's all sing Kum-by-ya!



 >:(
All tipoes and misspelings are copi-righted.  Pleeze do not reuse without ritten persimmons  :D

Clark Kent

  • Very Active Forum Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 129
    • GUN FRIENDLY
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: 13 dead and 30 wounded at Fort Hood military base
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2009, 08:10:40 AM »
My take (and that's all it is):  He was miserable, couldn't face up to his cowardice and decided that maybe the 70 virgins could be his if only he had the nerve to serve Allah.  He tried, but hadn't quite enuf conviction to finish, and now he has a whole new load of misery to carry.  Even Allah's disappointed.  What a pathetic, quivering fool. 

If he wanted out of the Army, all he had to do was buy a GI Joe inflatable sex toy, arrange to get caught with it in bed, and he'd be out on a Section 8.  But that would have meant giving up his uniform and the bennies and six-figure salary that came with it - and, of course, a civilian medical practice. 

Add hypocrisy to his list of crimes. 
Check out: GUN FRIENDLY

Timothy

  • Guest
Re: 13 dead and 30 wounded at Fort Hood military base
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2009, 09:13:47 AM »
He was an officer.  All he had to do to get out was to resign his commision and pay for the education they gave him.

POS coward, regardless of his beliefs!

Rastus

  • Mindlessness Fuels Tyranny
  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7201
  • DRTV Ranger
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 814
Re: 13 dead and 30 wounded at Fort Hood military base
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2009, 09:36:19 AM »
MOTIVE

A mostly overlooked thing when comparing islam to Christianity.  I'm tired of the sayings that equivilate "Christians" who commit murders to muslim bombers and shooters seeking a way to their god....well...drop the PC crap...how many commit murders for their religion?  My observation is that people in a Christian community who associate themselves with Christianity (and are not necessarily Christian in any real measure) who commit murder do it for their own selfish reasons...greed, anger, power, to coverup other things, etc.

Those dang Baptist Bombers and Methodist Snipers scare the heck out of me...oh, wait...it's the muslims that do that are doing that sort of thing in the name of their religion.

MOTIVE -- Consider the motive for the, and according to the, religion.  It is infantile to compare murderous acts of religious fanaticism of muslims to old Bobby down the street who killed some guy in the bar because he was drunk and got mad or someone's son caught in a drug deal.  Get real.

Religion of peace....please tell me you haven't fallen for that.




By the way...the news is reporting that the lady officer who stopped the muslim from killing people had active shooter training.  I bet when the facts start trickling out we'll all see how important training was in this instance.  
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
-William Pitt, British Prime-Minister (1759-1806)
                                                                                                                               Avoid subjugation, join the NRA!

 

SMF spam blocked by CleanTalk