J-Frame Pocket Holster suggestions.

[Hazcat]

I don't usually carry in my pocket but when I do I have found that my P3AT fits perfectly into the change/watch pocket that is inside the front right pocket of my shorts.  No Holster.

[Clark Kent]

Do not recommend this and beg anyone to help point out every horrible flaw this technique has.
Please!

Who am I to recommend anything to anyone?   And who are you to order me not to do so?   I do welcome anyone here to "help point out every horrible flaw" in the technique I described as one I use.    But please leave out the hysteria, which only gets in the way of reasonable discourse. 

[texcaliber]

The huge problem is when you decide to add another person who is the start of the attack putting all kinds of actual stress on you and your VERY fine-motor-skills. Give any force-on-force a try with an airsoft version of your gun and post the pics of your new bloodblister tattoos for me.

As for:

Gosh, the idea of a Fitz Special (cutaway trigger guard) must give you nightmares.

Not a one! I bet an apology that gun was carried in a holster and the guard was cut out because the draw was made without the finger in the Triggerguard.

[texcaliber]

I hope you did not note, feel or sense any "hissy"-teria this time. As far a orders vs. requests next time to make sure there is ABSOLUTELY no confusion I will add "pretty please" either fore or aft if it pleases ya.

[Clark Kent]

The huge problem is when you decide to add another person who is the start of the attack putting all kinds of actual stress on you and your VERY fine-motor-skills. Give any force-on-force a try with an airsoft version of your gun and post the pics of your new bloodblister tattoos for me.

As for:
Not a one! I bet an apology that gun was carried in a holster and the guard was cut out because the draw was made without the finger in the Triggerguard.

I'll settle for bloodblisters over bullet holes any day.  And if you think pulling a revolver with half its trigger guard missing out of any holster without the risk of accidentally engaging the trigger - especially under the kind of duress you describe, you're the one here who's missing the picture.  

Tell you what:  you stick with your carry method and I'll stick with mine.  And I'll refrain from telling people in this forum what to do, if you'll do the same.  Deal?  

[Sponsor]

[texcaliber]

You are not adding being ambushed or adrenalin to the  equation not to mention ol' murrphys laws greatly increase when your face meets attackers fist. Putting your rolling gun action to work under stress..... good luck with that.


!PRETTY PLEASE!
Do not recommend this !WITH FREE AMMO AND SPEEDLOADERS ON TOP! and beg anyone to help point out every horrible flaw this technique has.
Please!

if the ammo thing doesn't do it for you, do not light the fuse on the ol' tampoon. Replace with regular !sugar on top!

[texcaliber]

I'll settle for bloodblisters over bullet holes any day.

Those bloodblister represent bullet holes Clark Kent.

[tombogan03884]

Granted it's not traditional, but I don't see the safety issues you imply.  Sure, finger's in trigger guard, but pulling up, away from the trigger.  With barrel down, there's a chance of the finger slipping into the guard, against the trigger as you pull it up out of your pocket.  Helluva lot more risk than with my way.   You say "no holster" as if the gun becomes an unpinned grenade without one.  Gosh, the idea of a Fitz Special (cutaway trigger guard) must give you nightmares.

As a matter of fact,,,   I would love to run across an original, I would NEVER dream of carrying it.
The no holster thing is only safe if NOTHING else is carried in that pocket, no change, no keys nothing. That SOB Murphy will stick it behind the trigger when you REALLY need the gun to work, holsters lessen the chance of that.

Heres some history on the "Fitz Special"

http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2005/09/shooting-impression-of-de-blinged-m21.html

http://www.shootingtimes.com/gunsmoke/0605/index.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_173_29/ai_n7578403/

[Clark Kent]

Thanks for the links.   I'd love to get my hands on one, too - strictly for show and tell. 

You're absolutely right with the nuttin-else-in-da-pocket advice.  I started using this carry method with a pair of Blackie Collins' "Toters," jeans with extra, reinforced front pockets intended for just this type of carry.  I tried the upside down position after somebody lse mentioned it in one of the fora.  Don't remember who, but I keep thinking it mighta been the late great Lou Alessi.  If it was Lou, I don't think he made an upside down pocket holster, either.  He mighta been talking about when he was a cop in Buffalo, before he got into the holster business. 

[Rob Pincus]

Clark,

Rather, the revolver rides butt down in my front pocket, trigger guard forward.  To draw I slip my index finger into the guard and rest the barrel in the web of my hand between thumb and index finger.  I've practiced enuf with this carry that I can slip it out smoothly and rock the grip into my hand with barely any detectable motion.   

Yes, it is dangerous .. in fact, I'd go as far as to say "reckless".  While I have carried J-frames without a holster, I would never tolerate the suggestion that a draw stroke which purposely places a finger in the trigger guard.

The presentation that you describe might work well on a range, but it is exactly the kind of overcomplicated, choreographed complex motor skill that falls apart under stress.... and now you are setting yourself up for rapidly putting your hand into your pocket under a fear response and trying to get your finger into the trigger area.

Not Good. Strongly suggest you change you method and I certainly don't want anyone else getting the idea that it is okay.

-RJP

(PS "fitz specials" are a bit silly and dangerous... AND, they only encourage trigger slap for most people, bio-mechanically, unless you have REALLY big hands/long fingers/thick gloves, they offer no advantage.)