Prosecuting Hasan likely to be a drawn-out affair, military legal experts say

[twyacht]

"We never had a case quite like this before . . . because of pretrial publicity, it will create a lot of complications," said Richard Rosen, vice chairman of the university’s law school and former military justice attorney at Fort Hood.

Uh, yes we have, I posted the link from 2003, another Hasan threw a grenade into the U.S. barracks in Kuwait. He was convicted and sentenced to death at Ft. Bragg.

He is awaiting his needle at Levinworth..  It was all over the news during the opening week of the war. People just have short memory.

Convict this scumbag, pull the other scumbag out of 3 hots and a cot, line them up and shoot them via firing squad. There will be no shortage of volunteers, and it will save a lot of money for the REAL soldiers.

No need to throw treason out there, it is murder. The Army has it covered in the R&R Manual.

[TAB]

you don't need to swing for the fence, 13 1st degree murders , X ammounts of attempted murder and a long list of lesser crimes will still get him the needle.

[fightingquaker13]

FQ, on this you are again falling into the traps set by your socialist work environment.

From Tom's post (nonsense deleted) .
 My point was not there were not and are not traitors. There were, and there are, and they need to be dealt with. My point, Mr. (soon to be doing the Spandau ballet if you don't listen) Bogan, is that once you establish a precedent for prosecuting a nebulous charge like treason, rather than prosecuting its visible fruits, which are not nebulous, like espionage or murder, you have a problem. I am confident that a certain President could make a pretty good case for treason from your posts here alone. The fact is that the problem with treason is the same problem we find with hate crimes. You punish the thought rather than the action. It is obviously an imperfect analogy as there are many otherwise lawful acts that could and should be considered treasonous once the motive was understood (picking a "friend" up at the airport, waiting to see what time an official left work etc.) . The thing is though, it is better from a civil liberties stand point to prosecute these things under conspiracy charges. If the state starts routinely (not just in exceptional cases) prosecuting treason cases, my fear is that it will give whoever is in charge the ability to equate dissent with disloyalty and start throwing folks in jail. We went through this three times before in our history and we've always come back from the brink. I don't want to push our luck.
FQ13

[tt11758]

From Tom's post (nonsense deleted) .
 My point was not there were not and are not traitors. There were, and there are, and they need to be dealt with. My point, Mr. (soon to be doing the Spandau ballet if you don't listen) Bogan, is that once you establish a precedent for prosecuting a nebulous charge like treason, rather than prosecuting its visible fruits, which are not nebulous, like espionage or murder, you have a problem. I am confident that a certain President could make a pretty good case for treason from your posts here alone. The fact is that the problem with treason is the same problem we find with hate crimes. You punish the thought rather than the action. It is obviously an imperfect analogy as there are many otherwise lawful acts that could and should be considered treasonous once the motive was understood (picking a "friend" up at the airport, waiting to see what time an official left work etc.) . The thing is though, it is better from a civil liberties stand point to prosecute these things under conspiracy charges. If the state starts routinely (not just in exceptional cases) prosecuting treason cases, my fear is that it will give whoever is in charge the ability to equate dissent with disloyalty and start throwing folks in jail. We went through this three times before in our history and we've always come back from the brink. I don't want to push our luck.
FQ13

From FQ's post....I'm too damn tired to delete the nonsense.   

So am I to understand that you are against the charge of treason for pragmatic reasons?  I can agree with you on the "slippery slope" assertion.  In addition, if by some miracle, this asshat gets acquitted on the murder charges (13 premeditated murder charges filed today), they can at that point go back and charge him with treason, without violating his double jeopardy protection, and STILL have the opportunity to toast his ass.

I propose that for the execution they hold a lottery.  $100 buys a ticket, and the winner gets to flip the switch.  Hell, I'd pay $100 for that opportunity.

[fightingquaker13]

tt11758
My only objection to a treason charge is pragmatic. It is unecessary to off this guy since he's facing 13 counts of murder which should be more than sufficient if the prosecuter is halfway competant and shows up to court sober. My objection to treason is that it does take one step closer to the slippery slope and there is no need to go there. Dead is dead. I am in complete agreement withyour lottery idea, the money going to the victims, I'll buy a tickey.
FQ13

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[tt11758]

tt11758
My only objection to a treason charge is pragmatic. It is unecessary to off this guy since he's facing 13 counts of murder which should be more than sufficient if the prosecuter is halfway competant and shows up to court sober. My objection to treason is that it does take one step closer to the slippery slope and there is no need to go there. Dead is dead. I am in complete agreement withyour lottery idea, the money going to the victims, I'll buy a tickey.
FQ13

You and I agree.  The end of the world can't be far off.   

[PegLeg45]

Charge and try him which ever way will get his terrorist ass dead the quickest.

[fightingquaker13]

Charge and try him which ever way will get his terrorist ass dead the quickest.

Comment of the day!
FQ13 who has no trophy, but I mean well

[tombogan03884]

I posted earlier but for some reason it just, disappeared  

Any way the gist of what I said was that the murder charges are better because treason has not resulted in a death penalty since WWI or earlier.
Tokyo Rose got 29 years for making Japanese propaganda broadcasts, James Joyce (Lord Haw Haw ) and Axis Sally were both imprisoned for broadcasting from Germany (they were English).

[fightingquaker13]

True. Even the Rosenbergs were executed for espionage, not treason. Just like Hassan, there was no need to. Lesser charges would serve the same end, and be tried on facts, not intent. The treason laws are a good weapon to have, but its best to leave them in the holster if other means are available.
FQ13