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Re: "Do you own a gun?" asked of parents who want to adopt
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2009, 04:31:52 PM »
I call BS on your comment!

It is none of their damn business if you are exercising your Constitutionally guaranteed Rights!

Any couple that can't keep their fly zipped and skirt hem down can breed all they want no questions or conditions.  A couple that wants to take in a homeless child is treated like a criminal.  F*** em all!

We've been through the process, and the only thing I can think of that is worse is going through fertility testing.

This is nothing more than an attempt to infringe on the rights of citizens, and it needs to be tossed with last weeks fish!


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Re: "Do you own a gun?" asked of parents who want to adopt
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2009, 06:09:18 PM »
Simple Reply:

My Constitutional Right, is not relevant to this screening. Criminal check fine, financial check, dandy. references, church, co-workers, great.

Question for them:

Does exercising my Constitutional Rights "limit" my qualifications, is all other criteria is met?
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Re: "Do you own a gun?" asked of parents who want to adopt
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2009, 06:32:32 PM »
Been through it.  It feels like an interview from the IRS.  Any wrong answer and you are done, all money forfeited.  Actually, it is an AWFUL lot like MB's NYC pistol permit story...

There all ALL SORTS of "child safety" questions and inspections--chemicals, power tools, kitchen knives, open water, dogs, busy roads, and those are just what I remember off the top of my head.  Also had to prove you had a fire evac plan, emergency numbers (fire, police, and poison control) posted next to the phone, and a few other things.  Guns in a safe, ammo in a separate lockbox, child locks on any drawer/cabinet with kinves, chemicals locked up, have you ever had an issue with any dog, locked gates and fences if close to a busy road or water.  Our pond was 2 yards too close (98 yds) to the house, had to fence it in.   

Anyone that thinks adoption is easy really doesn't have a clue. 

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UPDATE: "Do you own a gun?" asked of parents who want to adopt
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2009, 11:37:05 AM »
UPDATE: DCF drops guns from adoption process

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/dec/22/na-dcf-drops-guns-from-adoption-process/
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TAMPA - The state Department of Children & Families will no longer document whether prospective foster parents own a gun.

According to a Dec. 2 memorandum, DCF officials will discuss gun safety but won't ask or document whether prospective parents have guns. Prospective parents must sign forms saying they're aware that Florida law requires people with loaded firearms keep them in a locked, secure place away from children.

The clarification came as the result of a conversation between a prospective parent and an employee with one of the providers DCF works with for adoption home studies, said Alan Abramowitz, state director for DCF's family safety program office. The employee asked a question listed on a form regarding guns and ammunition, and the prospective parent refused to provide the information.

The National Rifle Association also received a copy of the form.

"There were a number of families who were offended by the way this was being done and requiring them to register their gun and ammunition with an agency and on condition of being denied the ability to adopt a child," said Marion Hammer, a Tallahassee lobbyist and former National Rifle Association president.

"So legislation has been filed to prohibit the kind of activity specifically that has been going on that violates state gun laws, that violates your privacy rights. As a result, adoption agencies and DCF have altered their policies to conform to state law and constitutional rights, something they should have done all along. ... To suggest that families that own firearms - a constitutional right - are not suitable for adoption is ridiculous."

DCF agrees.

"Just because you own a firearm, that should not be a determining factor," Abramowitz said. "I'm not aware of any case that a person was turned down because they were a lawful gun owner."

Moreover, he said, DCF cannot legally deny an adoption simply because a person is a lawful gun owner.

DCF's general counsel researched the concerns and determined that prospective parents' gun ownership should not be documented.

Bills filed this year by state Sen. Thad Altman, R-Melbourne, and state Rep. Mike Horner, R-Kissimmee, seek to prohibit adoption agencies from considering whether a person's lawful possession of a firearm impacts their suitability to adopt.
Abramowitz said the bills merely clarify existing law.

"The law is clear," he said. "It says the department or providers cannot document lawful gun ownership, or it's a third-degree felony. It's a crime."
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Re: "Do you own a gun?" asked of parents who want to adopt
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2009, 01:01:29 PM »
I call BS on your comment!

It is none of their damn business if you are exercising your Constitutionally guaranteed Rights!

Any couple that can't keep their fly zipped and skirt hem down can breed all they want no questions or conditions.  A couple that wants to take in a homeless child is treated like a criminal.  F*** em all!

We've been through the process, and the only thing I can think of that is worse is going through fertility testing.

This is nothing more than an attempt to infringe on the rights of citizens, and it needs to be tossed with last weeks fish!

I agree. This kind of crap is getting totally out of hand. How many adopted babies die from accidental gunfire? I'll go way out on a limb and say it's a grand total of NONE! This is nothing more than an intrusion and violation of our rights. And for what it's worth if I were put into that position I would lie like a rug. My first and only thought would be just like any job interview, "What does this guy want to hear?"  Bill T.

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Re: "Do you own a gun?" asked of parents who want to adopt
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Re: "Do you own a gun?" asked of parents who want to adopt
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2009, 01:03:54 PM »
More kids will die from water in your house this year than guns.
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Re: "Do you own a gun?" asked of parents who want to adopt
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2009, 02:05:25 PM »
More kids will die from water in your house this year than guns.

More children drown in family backyard pools than from gun accidents, especially here in the Phoenix metro area in the Summer time. We lose several per year. Bill T.

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Re: "Do you own a gun?" asked of parents who want to adopt
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2009, 04:41:51 PM »
Why yes, I DO have the means to protect a child from harm inflicted by society's predators.
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Re: "Do you own a gun?" asked of parents who want to adopt
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2009, 09:29:12 PM »
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Re: "Do you own a gun?" asked of parents who want to adopt
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2009, 10:12:47 PM »
sooooooooo Path~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~??
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