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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: sledgemeister on July 22, 2011, 11:09:12 PM
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Looks like some bastards just should have never been allowed to crawl out of the bucket.
Most of those killed are younins from 13 to early 20's
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/22/norway.explosion/index.html?hpt=T1
Oslo, Norway (CNN) -- At least 80 people are dead as a result of a rampage Friday on a Norwegian island, police said, an attack that came shortly after an explosion killed seven others in the Scandinavian nation's capital.
Police have detained a 32-year-old Norwegian man who they suspect opened fire on scores at the ruling Labour Party's youth camp on Utoya Island, about 20 miles from Oslo. Police spokesman Are Frykholm, who told CNN early Saturday about the death toll spike, said authorities are investigating further, based on information from the man.
That attack and the massive explosion in the heart of Oslo are definitely linked, police said.
Seven were killed in the attack in the Norwegian capital, officials said. In all, 90 people were hospitalized as a result of the Oslo blast, said Erik Hansen, a spokesman for Oslo Mayor Fabian Stang.
The mayor's staff members were searching for housing for people, many of them elderly, whose homes were damaged, Hansen said.
Frykholm, the police spokesman, said that the man arrested on the island appeared to match the description of a person who was seen near the government buildings shortly before the bomb erupted.
The man was wearing a police emblem on his blue sweater, though he does not work for police, Frykholm said.
The prime minister, whose office was badly damaged in the Oslo blast, leads Norway's Labour Party, which runs the youth camp, where about 700 people were in attendance on Friday.
People at the camp said the man arrived Friday on the boat that ferries visitors across the 3/4-mile of water from the mainland and told campers that he was carrying out a security check, Labour Party member Bjorn Jarle Roberg-Larsen told CNN.
"After just a few minutes, he took a handgun and started to shoot people," Roberg-Larsen said. "A panic broke out; people tried to hide; some jumped into the water and tried to swim ashore."
Others took shelter in caves or bushes, or climbed trees. "And he went after them," the party member said. "Unfortunately, a lot of people are wounded and also a lot of people are dead."
The acting national police chief, Sveinung Sponheim, told reporters in Oslo that the gun was an automatic weapon and that undetonated explosives were found on the island after the attack.
The vast majority of the Labour Party youth movement attendees were between the ages of 16 and 22, though some were as young as 13 and others as old as their early 30s, Roberg-Larsen said. They had been planning to attend political training classes and participate in group activities during the day and sleep in tents at night, he said.
Citing Norwegian broadcasters, he said that the man was stopped by Norwegian police.
Roberg-Larsen said the nearest hospital was asking donors to give type O blood, the most common type.
"It's a bad day for Norway," he said. "We have never had any terrorist attack on Norwegian soil before. Today, we have had two, so people are completely shocked."
Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store, a Labour Party member, said he had visited the camp on Thursday. "There was political discussion, there was joy, there was everything that is associated with a political youth camp."
He said that the fact that the suspect is a blond Norwegian man should underscore the importance of allowing police to do their work before drawing any conclusions. "We've seen in Europe in recent years that politicians have been jumping to conclusions about suspects before investigations have been conducted, and we will not commit that error."
Friday's events will have an enduring influence on Norway, but will not fundamentally change the country or what it stands for, he predicted.
"Today, free government was attacked, freedom of association was attacked, the spirit of youth was attacked. But we will kick back and say that these are values that are dear to us, and we intend to defend them and Norway will be recognizable tomorrow as the Norway our friends and partners around the world have known so far."
Oslo Mayor Stang said it was a "terrible day" for Norwegians.
Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg was not in his office at the time of the blast and was not hurt, officials said.
Afterward, he had a message to whoever may have been responsible: "You won't destroy us," he said. "You won't destroy our democracy. We are a small but proud nation. No one can bomb us to silence. No one can scare us from being Norway. This evening and tonight, we'll take care of each other. That's what we do best when attacked."
Nick Soubiea, an American-Swedish tourist in Oslo, said he was fewer than 100 yards from the blast, which he described as deafening. "It was almost in slow motion, like a big wave that almost knocked us off our chairs," he told CNN. "It was extremely frightening."
Several buildings in Oslo were on fire, smoke billowing from them, he said.
One explosion appeared to have occurred on an upper floor of a main government building; every window on the side of the building had been blown out.
The blast also damaged the Oil Ministry, which caught fire.
In brief remarks to reporters from the Oval Office, U.S. President Barack Obama extended his condolences to the victims of the violence in Norway, saying the incidents are "a reminder that the entire international community has a stake in preventing this kind of terror from occurring."
Heide Bronke, a U.S. State Department spokeswoman, said Washington was monitoring the situation but did not have any word of U.S. casualties.
British Foreign Secretary William Hague also condemned the attacks.
"We condemn all acts of terrorism," he said. "The UK stands shoulder to shoulder with Norway and all our international allies in the face of such atrocities."
British Ambassador to Norway, Jane Owen, told CNN she was working in the embassy when she felt the blast three miles away. "The whole building shook here in the embassy," she said. "It was quite a sizeable explosion and a huge shock. ... The results demonstrate that it was a very large bomb."
She added, "As we have all experienced, you can never be totally prepared for the horror and the tragedy that unfolds when you do have a major terrorist incident and that is, unfortunately, what the people of Oslo and Norway are now having to cope with."
Stoltenberg, who has been prime minister since October 2005, heads a coalition government comprising the Labour Party, the Socialist Left Party and the Centre Party.
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Damn, last I heard it was 17 dead.
"people tried to hide; some jumped into the water and tried to swim ashore."
Others took shelter in caves or bushes, or climbed trees. "And he went after them," the party member said"
Sheep to the slaughter, 1 man dominating hundreds because they didn't have the guts to fight back .
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Damn, last I heard it was 17 dead.
"people tried to hide; some jumped into the water and tried to swim ashore."
Others took shelter in caves or bushes, or climbed trees. "And he went after them," the party member said"
Sheep to the slaughter, 1 man dominating hundreds because they didn't have the guts to fight back .
In all fairness Tom they where mostly kids, and unarmed. If this isnt a reason for CCW then it beats the shit out of me what is.
If a few of the 18+ year olds had firearms the story would have been sickening but not to the depths it become.
Calling the police did a lot for the poor bastards eh.
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damn when I left for work this morning it was only 2 dead. :(
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Coming to a town near you!
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91 total dead this morning, 84 at the youth camp, 7 in the explosion.
One news article has already used the phrase "right wing" in describing this criminal, and they are mentioning his "love" of "gory" movies like 300 and Gladiator and violent video games, as well as TV shows like Dexter.
BOHICA
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Whack-jobs have no consistent political affiliation. Psychosis is owned by no particular political party.
The voices in my head told me this is true.
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Sounds like a Norwegian Timothy McVeigh.
I'm not sure if it is a good thing that they caught him or not.
Does Norway have the death penalty? I suspect not but don't know.
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In all fairness Tom they where mostly kids, and unarmed. If this isnt a reason for CCW then it beats the shit out of me what is.
If a few of the 18+ year olds had firearms the story would have been sickening but not to the depths it become.
Calling the police did a lot for the poor bastards eh.
CCW doesn't even enter into it. If some of them had jumped this guy the death toll would not have been so high.
Guns are distance weapons, that's why they have special classes on close in pistol shooting. If you run, or as at Virginia Tech, hide under a desk, you will be shot, if you fight back you might be shot.
This isn't the Borg we are talking about, resistance is never futile.
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CCW doesn't even enter into it. If some of them had jumped this guy the death toll would not have been so high.
Guns are distance weapons, that's why they have special classes on close in pistol shooting. If you run, or as at Virginia Tech, hide under a desk, you will be shot, if you fight back you might be shot.
This isn't the Borg we are talking about, resistance is never futile.
While there is no guarantee that you will survive, you can at least help others survive. Flight 93 comes to mind.
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CCW doesn't even enter into it. If some of them had jumped this guy the death toll would not have been so high.
Guns are distance weapons, that's why they have special classes on close in pistol shooting. If you run, or as at Virginia Tech, hide under a desk, you will be shot, if you fight back you might be shot.
This isn't the Borg we are talking about, resistance is never futile.
If people did that at Port Arthur then maybe all 35 may not have been killed, in Virginia tech all those people may not have been killed, if in Norway they may not have all been killed. The only thing this proves is it rarely happens. Flight 93 (no disrespect intended) had time to plan and organise a stratey or a counter offensive, these situations dont give people that, they happen out of no where, peoples first instinct does not say jump in front of a man who is shooting at you. While we might all want to believe that we are capable of such heroic abilities, 99.9% of people arent, and lets not forget most of these victims where kids.
At least with CCW you at least have the chance to flee and protect yourself and/or your loved ones.
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If people did that at Port Arthur then maybe all 35 may not have been killed, in Virginia tech all those people may not have been killed, if in Norway they may not have all been killed. The only thing this proves is it rarely happens. Flight 93 (no disrespect intended) had time to plan and organise a stratey or a counter offensive, these situations dont give people that, they happen out of no where, peoples first instinct does not say jump in front of a man who is shooting at you. While we might all want to believe that we are capable of such heroic abilities, 99.9% of people arent, and lets not forget most of these victims where kids.
At least with CCW you at least have the chance to flee and protect yourself and/or your loved ones.
Such situations trigger an instinct to "fight or flight", it is liberal "touchy feely" training that causes most to choose flight. There have been multiple cases, such as in Pearl Mississippi where resistance prevented injuries.
To show that this is a relatively new phenomenon, look at Coffeeville Ks, or Northfield Minn. the James and Dalton gangs were both destroyed because the citizens had not been indoctrinated in the concept that even defensive violence is bad.
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CCW doesn't even enter into it. If some of them had jumped this guy the death toll would not have been so high.
Guns are distance weapons, that's why they have special classes on close in pistol shooting. If you run, or as at Virginia Tech, hide under a desk, you will be shot, if you fight back you might be shot.
This isn't the Borg we are talking about, resistance is never futile.
+1 on that, Tom.
CCW may have helped, but I agree it is not, IMHO, a central issue. Had just a few brave souls jumped the guy, the carnage could have most likely been significantly lessened.
It's all in the mind-set. I guess I look at things differently than a lot of folks around me because I can not run or take rapid evasive action (even kneeling isn't possible).........I have few choices but to fight.......so I made up my mind that if the time comes, I will fight as hard as physically possible.....using any means at hand. I guess it just bothers me to see so many people, as in this case, dominated by a single lunatic.
Sad all the way around....for the loss of life, the reason (or lack there of) for it, and the fact that much of it could have been prevented.
My prayers go out for them.
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(http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-50863389838911_2167_849918)
Have a plan and follow through.
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Toll now up to 98.
Back when "Work place violence" was making headlines I looked around myself, machine shops contain lots of cover, and anything can be used as a weapon. Heck, Cain killed Abel with a rock.
I might die, but it sure as hell will not be cowering under a desk.
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Toll now up to 98.
Back when "Work place violence" was making headlines I looked around myself, machine shops contain lots of cover, and anything can be used as a weapon. Heck, Cain killed Abel with a rock.
I might die, but it sure as hell will not be cowering under a desk.
I'm in agreement here. Everywhere I've worked, I figure a worst case scenario and make decisions based on that situation.
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Anyone know the weapon used?
Was it one of those "high capacity" magazines....Fox News reported the shooting lasted over an hour.....
That is an eternity....and by the death toll, and injured, a lot of reloading with a handgun...
I thought Gun Control was working in Europe. :-\
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And it only took 90 minutes for the police to show up.
OSLO, Norway – Police arrived at an island massacre about an hour and a half after a gunman first opened fire, slowed because they didn't have quick access to a helicopter and then couldn't find a boat to make their way to the scene just several hundred yards (meters) offshore. The assailant surrendered when police finally reached him, but 82 people died before that.
http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110723/ap_on_re_eu/eu_norway_explosion (http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110723/ap_on_re_eu/eu_norway_explosion)
No need for the populace to be armed, the police will protect you. >:(
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One article I saw a witness said several people were shot with a pistol, then again with a shotgun.
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And it only took 90 minutes for the police to show up.
OSLO, Norway – Police arrived at an island massacre about an hour and a half after a gunman first opened fire, slowed because they didn't have quick access to a helicopter and then couldn't find a boat to make their way to the scene just several hundred yards (meters) offshore. The assailant surrendered when police finally reached him, but 82 people died before that.
http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110723/ap_on_re_eu/eu_norway_explosion (http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110723/ap_on_re_eu/eu_norway_explosion)
No need for the populace to be armed, the police will protect you. >:(
Once again, when seconds count . . . .
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Latest reports are that this guy was member of a radical anti-muslim group. Way to go Lars, that's the way to stop the muslims, demonstrate they aren't the only ones responsible for terror, they are quaking in their boots now. Couldn't you have blasphemed the Prophet and waited for them to blow you up instead? Or at the very least worn a turban? WTF? Apparently he has a 1500 page manifesto (a sure sign of being a raving nut job) and will justify his actions in court on Monday. Good luck with that buddy. After shooting up a bunch of kids, I'm sure your buddies in the cause are just waiting for the outpouring of love that brings. ::)
FQ13
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Sadly the "Inner Viking" in most Scandinavians, has been watered down with appeasement.
Erik The Red, and Leif are rolling in their graves.
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Latest reports are that this guy was member of a radical anti-muslim group. Way to go Lars, that's the way to stop the muslims, demonstrate they aren't the only ones responsible for terror, they are quaking in their boots now. Couldn't you have blasphemed the Prophet and waited for them to blow you up instead? Or at the very least worn a turban? WTF? Apparently he has a 1500 page manifesto (a sure sign of being a raving nut job) and will justify his actions in court on Monday. Good luck with that buddy. After shooting up a bunch of kids, I'm sure your buddies in the cause are just waiting for the outpouring of love that brings. ::)
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So why didn't the dumb ass blow up and shoot Muslims ? Turn about being fair play, you could sort of justify that. (If you lived in a country that suffered from Muslim violence instead of Norway. ::) )
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So why didn't the dumb ass blow up and shoot Muslims ? Turn about being fair play, you could sort of justify that. (If you lived in a country that suffered from Muslim violence instead of Norway. ::) )
Don't know the status of Islam in Norway, but if it is similar to other countries in the neighborhood, The Liberal party has been working to pave the way for them. That is a possible motive....and murdering the kids at a Liberal Political camp might have been his effort to "nip them in the bud".
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I'm sure that won't backfire. Plus Norway has, at least for now, some pretty liberal gun laws by European standards. I'm sure the antis will start agitating on Monday.
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I know I'll probably catch hell for this, but am I the only one that got chills up and down his spine, from the term "poliitical youth camp".
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I know I'll probably catch hell for this, but am I the only one that got chills up and down his spine, from the term "poliitical youth camp".
Nope!
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I know I'll probably catch hell for this, but am I the only one that got chills up and down his spine, from the term "poliitical youth camp".
Not even close to being the only one.
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So why didn't the dumb ass blow up and shoot Muslims ? Turn about being fair play, you could sort of justify that. (If you lived in a country that suffered from Muslim violence instead of Norway. ::) )
According to one report - OK, in the MSM - he was angry at the "indigenous" peoples of Scandinavia and specifically Norway for encouraging so much immigration from Muslim countries.
As MB suggested in his blog, I ain't even going to go near his 1500-page manifesto. This guy is a loon. I agree with the sheer stupidity of allowing so much immigration from the mooslims, but that's no call to take it out on the ruling party.
And Tom, the Norwegians did thwart an attack within the last year. Nothing happened, so no news about it other than a blurb here and there.
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According to one report - OK, in the MSM - he was angry at the "indigenous" peoples of Scandinavia and specifically Norway for encouraging so much immigration from Muslim countries.
As MB suggested in his blog, I ain't even going to go near his 1500-page manifesto. This guy is a loon. I agree with the sheer stupidity of allowing so much immigration from the mooslims, but that's no call to take it out on the ruling party.
And Tom, the Norwegians did thwart an attack within the last year. Nothing happened, so no news about it other than a blurb here and there.
I don't really have a problem with shooting liberals, actually it sounds like a pretty good idea. If we took up that hobby this country wouldn't be so messed up.
But it's pure cowardice to take it out on the kids who are nothing but victims of brainwashing.
I know I'll probably catch hell for this, but am I the only one that got chills up and down his spine, from the term "poliitical youth camp".
They don't need them in this country. We have the NEA.
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I know I'll probably catch hell for this, but am I the only one that got chills up and down his spine, from the term "poliitical youth camp".
I did....and got larger ones when I read the King's statement calling these political indoctrination camps a measure of the political freedom in Norway....and vowing that this terrorist would not stop that freedom.
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Here's The Financial Times' take on it (and they are about the most unbiased paper out there). You have to agree with Tom here. If this fool wanted to start a war of civilizations, why not kill a bunch of muslims and wait for retribution, and counter-retribution? I mean hell, Osama got that. He didn't blow up a few mosques and say "Take that America". ::) This guy is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Not to mention, gunning down children at camp? Who the hell is going to sign on to that agenda? :'(
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http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/55aab1f8-b60d-11e0-8bed-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1T5jbMg1O
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Here's The Financial Times' take on it (and they are about the most unbiased paper out there). You have to agree with Tom here. If this fool wanted to start a war of civilizations, why not kill a bunch of muslims and wait for retribution, and counter-retribution? I mean hell, Osama got that. He didn't blow up a few mosques and say "Take that America". ::) This guy is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Not to mention, gunning down children at camp? Who the hell is going to sign on to that agenda? :'(
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http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/55aab1f8-b60d-11e0-8bed-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1T5jbMg1O
"Those who do not learn history are condemned to repeat it." The liberal indoctrination you were subjected to in academia makes you over look the obvious.
The majority of ,so called, normal people will go along with it if it is marketed properly.
What civilized European society would go along with massacring people based on ethnicity or religion ?
And it wasn't just Nazi Germany, the Poles, Russians, Hungarians, Romanians, Ukrainians, and Latvians were all OK with it.
And it wasn't just in the 40's either, it was only a few years ago Serbs were massacring Muslims and Croats while Croats were dealing with their Serb and Muslim prisoners by lying them down in the street then driving tanks through.
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Yeah, but those atrocities were done in the name of retribution for real or perceived wrongs. You don't start by attacking your own if you want a war between civilizations.
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The reasoning is the similar to Charles Manson, Helter Skelter. But I don't see how he plans to get the blame for the atrocity passed off on the rag heads.
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Yeah, but those atrocities were done in the name of retribution for real or perceived wrongs. You don't start by attacking your own if you want a war between civilizations.
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I'll use simple words so maybe you'll get it this time.
The reports said he was mad at his own people and wanted to punish them for what they did wrong by letting the mooslims in.
Got it now?
BTW - this may all change as more and more of this moron's ranting get analyzed and/or he opens his mouth. Not sure I want to "understand" a crazy person, though.
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"Those who do not learn history are condemned to repeat it." The liberal indoctrination you were subjected to in academia makes you over look the obvious.
The majority of ,so called, normal people will go along with it if it is marketed properly.
What civilized European society would go along with massacring people based on ethnicity or religion ?
And it wasn't just Nazi Germany, the Poles, Russians, Hungarians, Romanians, Ukrainians, and Latvians were all OK with it.
And it wasn't just in the 40's either, it was only a few years ago Serbs were massacring Muslims and Croats while Croats were dealing with their Serb and Muslim prisoners by lying them down in the street then driving tanks through.
You've forgotten the pictures of the Pope shaking hands with and greeting Hitler.
If you don't think it can happen, read up on "The Wave", the name of a "cult" in a Palo Alto high school in 1967. they were studying Nazi Germany and the kids expressed wonder at ho the German people could be so stupid as to let it happen.
The teacher explained that they didn't do their own thinking, they "followed the crowd" and swallowed what their charismatic leader said.
He proposed they start working to encourage folks to think on there own, not to just buy into what is told to them.
That is how it started. Here is a link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4689717947890475769
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According to several sources, the mass murderer purchased legally a shotgun, a Ruger Mini-14 and a Glock 17. This is also according to his own statements.
What he used on the island was a handgun and possibly a shotgun. No confirmation if he used any of the firearms he had registered.
He was also a registered hunter and a member of a local shooting club. At the time of his purchases, he passed the background check and other requirements for owning firearms for hunting and for shooting competitions.
Sad time for my fellow Norwegians.....
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Heard a report that the majority, if not all on the Island were Arabs/Muslims.
Any truth to it ?
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All I know as of now is that the majority of the people there were members of the Labour Party's Youth organization. Lots of conflicting information right now, so I would not conclude until things calm down. Btw.... the number of deaths at the camp is now downsized to 68.
MH
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Just saw this headline
Under Norway's liberal justice system, Anders Behrin Breivik, the suspect in Friday's twin attack that killed 76 people, faces a maximum prison sentence of 100 days per victim, which has sparked an outcry in the country.
100 days for murdering someone.......3 months and a week or so......
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Wait for the dust to clear, only 67 dead so far and they are lowering this as we type. Its all very cloudy why a natural born would kill the same in the name of Muslim exclusion, blows my mind.
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If I knew I was facing a maximum of 100 days I would commit a murder or two.
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Explains why Marshal is such a decent guy, it almost isn't illegal for them to whack the a holes, so that's been mostly cleaned out of the gene pool..
100 days ? Around here that's what you get for driving after revocation.
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I am seriously doubting the hundred day rule. Maybe that's if you were found mentally unfit or something? Otherwise, hell, ammo sales would be booming. ;D
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Heard a report that the majority, if not all on the Island were Arabs/Muslims.
Any truth to it ?
I heard that on npr this morning, also heard that he has been planing something like this for 8 or 9 years.
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I am seriously doubting the hundred day rule. Maybe that's if you were found mentally unfit or something? Otherwise, hell, ammo sales would be booming. ;D
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Here is a link to the story with that headline:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07/25/calls-reportedly-grow-in-norway-to-extend-maximum-penalty-after-twin-attacks/
The story says he would get roughly 100 days per killing. So it is likely longer than 100 days for a murder, but there might be a longer sentence for the whole crime regardless of how many were killed. Or perhaps the longer sentences have to be served consecutively. Might be 21 years for each murder.
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Today's story indicates that there is another law that allows the state to lock up anyone convicted of being a danger to society for 20 year terms - renewable indefinitely.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07/26/norway-justice-employees-missing-after-massacre/ (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07/26/norway-justice-employees-missing-after-massacre/)
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Here's another one,
http://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-norway-terror-suspect-never-walk-free-130708680.html
Lawyer: Norway terror suspect will never walk free
OSLO, Norway (AP) — The defense lawyer for the man who confessed to the mass killings of government workers and Labor Party youth in Norway told The Associated Press on Tuesday that there's no way his client will walk free, saying Anders Behring Breivik's rampage was absurd and horrible and he's likely insane.
Geir Lippestad said at his first news conference that he considered the case for 10 or 12 hours before finally agreeing to take it because he felt the tragedy underscored the need to safeguard democratic traditions, like the right to defense counsel.
Later, in an exclusive interview, Lippestad said that the court must decide whether Breivik will be sentenced to prison or psychiatric care — but he will never be released.
"It's not a question of whether he will be set free," the lawyer said. "He has confessed to the facts of the case, so that goes without saying."
More at link
Belief in the right of all defendants to have counsel is the reason John Adams defended the British troops accused in the Boston Massacre. It is worth noting that he won acquittals for all of them .
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Wait for the dust to clear, only 67 dead so far and they are lowering this as we type. Its all very cloudy why a natural born would kill the same in the name of Muslim exclusion, blows my mind.
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By law, Norwegian police officers must have authorization from their chief to gain access to a firearm
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/world/europe/26police.html?_r=2&partner=MYWAY&ei=5065 (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/world/europe/26police.html?_r=2&partner=MYWAY&ei=5065)
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and you wanted to say what Sledge? I was just talking numbers , not to diminish the cost of life, even 1.
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I think his point was, how do you f*ck up a body count by 50%.
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I think his point was, how do you f*ck up a body count by 50%.
I cant speak for him but its easy in the lame stream media..........The rush to conclusion is rampant.
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I think his point was, how do you f*ck up a body count by 50%.
One way is to get a list of those scheduled to be on the island at that time, subtract the ones found alive and assume all the rest have been killed. It will produce the maximum number of dead....not a chance of being accurate, but it will be the biggest and what a great headline it will make.
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Truthfully it is a simple enough mistake if you are rushing to be first to air.
Especially in this case where several people swam to shore. Killed, wounded and missing were all lumped together, as the missing were accounted for the number dropped.