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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: johnkorz on April 14, 2009, 09:18:42 PM
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Hello Everyone:
Today I visted my local gun retailer with the intention of buying my first Glock. However, the sales person informed me I should take a hard lock at the Springfield Armory XD series before I make a decision. Any recommendations? I would like to stay with a 9mm or 45 to ensure ammo is always available. I thank the forum members for their expertise.
JFK
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Seriously, both guns are great.... buy which ever fits your hand better.
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XD = Excellent alternative.
I did the same. Went looking for a plastic, striker fired 9mm and ended up with the XD. You won't have "everything glock" as accessories go, but there are plenty of XD aftermarket bling. Plus, at the time, SA had a special on, so I ended up with 4 magazines and two mag pouches.
As far as caliber. All three, 9mm, .40S&W and .45ACP, are in short supply in many places. Since I already had handguns in .40 and .45, I wanted a 9mm to complement my Marline Camp-9 Carbine. If I could only have one right now, I'd go for the 9mm because it's cheaper than the other two, so you'll get more shots per dollar. That is unless you have some VERY specific requirements in mind, such as major/minor caliber in some competitions.
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My local guns shop did not mentioned a special deal on the SA pistols. Is this common knowledge for the dealers?
Thanks
John
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Try them both for feel, while the Glock seems to be a very reliable weapon the XD does have a more ergonomic grip.
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The guys working at our local range don't like the XD's, because they don't hold up to the super extreme use that the rental guns receive. I own Glocks and I've shot XD's. I like them both and always felt that I'd like a Glock with a grip safety. One individual is never going to put either gun through as much torture as range guns go through.
Get whatever feels best to you. Not necessarily just in the grip, but when you're shooting them. Ergonomics doesn't mean anything until you're actually shooting. I've heard rumors that XD magazines have become more and more scarce and that they're a little finicky. Hopefully some XD people will ring in on that. I'd like to get one too.
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40S&W is not going anywhere anytime soon. The sheer number of LE agencys that adopted that will see to that.
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My local guns shop did not mentioned a special deal on the SA pistols. Is this common knowledge for the dealers?
Sorry but that offer expired. Still the XD comes with a mag pouch and a magazine loader, in addition to the two magazines. So you're still ahead of the game.
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The guys working at our local range don't like the XD's, because they don't hold up to the super extreme use that the rental guns receive. I own Glocks and I've shot XD's. I like them both and always felt that I'd like a Glock with a grip safety. One individual is never going to put either gun through as much torture as range guns go through.
Get whatever feels best to you. Not necessarily just in the grip, but when you're shooting them. Ergonomics doesn't mean anything until you're actually shooting. I've heard rumors that XD magazines have become more and more scarce and that they're a little finicky. Hopefully some XD people will ring in on that. I'd like to get one too.
Valuable input.
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Seriously, both guns are great.... buy which ever fits your hand better.
Couldn't hear what ya said Eric....just wanted to clarify... :-\
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Couldn't hear what ya said Eric....just wanted to clarify... :-\
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:'( I can't buy either one of these "evil" little pistols....(http://www.smileyx.com/smilies/sad0147.gif)
Seems that when you own one, you become evil like the inanimate object your holding.....(http://www.smileyx.com/smilies/sad0147.gif)
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a gun you may not want to over look... and yes it makes your decision so much harder. take a look at the s&w M&P from what i hear they are a great gun and i would own one over the xd merely because i dont like the chamber indicator and the striker indicator. plus i like the trigger of the m&p better... i myself prefer glock to all three but thats me. oh you didnt mention full size, compact or sub compact... that may interest you as well. the xd and the m&p in the sub compact come with extended grip mags but the glock does not. you can however buy extensions and longer mags for glock pretty easy. so go to the store and the range rent all 3 of em try em out see which one your more accurate with and bam there ya go thats the gun for you
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XD45 = 13 in the stack + 1 in the Pipe. ;D
My Primary concealed carry weapon in a Comp-Tac Minotaur, and my favorite pistol to shoot.
Mine has a set of Williams Fire Sights on it.
Only catch, it will not feed Semi-Wadcutter style ammo. Ejection issues. Extracted case head hangs on the mouth of the next round. The slide does not have the "bump" on the bottom to push the top round down into the mag slightly giving room for the extracted round to clear it. Everything else feeds like green corn through a goose.
I don't know if this is the case with the 9 or not.
I recall you could send your pistol back to the custom shop and they would fix the slide so it would feed semi-wadcutters.
No experience with Glocks. Have handled a few, I Despise the Grip Angle.
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a gun you may not want to over look... and yes it makes your decision so much harder. take a look at the s&w M&P from what i hear they are a great gun and i would own one over the xd merely because i dont like the chamber indicator and the striker indicator. plus i like the trigger of the m&p better... i myself prefer glock to all three but thats me. oh you didnt mention full size, compact or sub compact... that may interest you as well. the xd and the m&p in the sub compact come with extended grip mags but the glock does not. you can however buy extensions and longer mags for glock pretty easy. so go to the store and the range rent all 3 of em try em out see which one your more accurate with and bam there ya go thats the gun for you
I do like the M&P too, but there are still trade-offs. Smiths don't have the chamber loaded indicator and the striker indicator, but they do have a super-evil magazine disconnect. If something goes wrong with the two aforementioned XD parts, the gun will probably still work when the SHTF. With the Smith, if something goes wrong with the magazine, you're left with a paper weight. If you lose your magazine, or your magazine becomes inoperable for whatever reason, you should be able to fire at least the last round in the gun, or use it as a single-shot breach loader.
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Glock M19 - M22, Springfield XDM 9. All great shooters and hard to tell what one I like best.
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If you ever get to a gun shop and see a Walther P99 pick it up and take a look. Striker and loaded chamber indicator like the XD. Adjustable back strap Like the M&P. Very comfortable and a unique mag release. When I first looked at it I thought it was in a silly place but it was Love after first mag drop!
Just to throw a wrench into things.
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I would suggest the Glock or Smith and Wesson M&P. I know the Springfield has a match barrel. Nice, but who needs a match barrel when your gun should be good to go out of the box? I have found that with the firearms I suggested and you can find the gear to go with it.
I did check out the Walther P99 today. Nice, but not my cup of tea.
As for .40 Smith and Wesson rounds, you can find them easier around here than you can 9mm and .45. I am thinking of buying a Glock 22 so I am able to purchase ammo!!!! :)
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The XD-M has other upgrades too.. Some trigger work has been done and in some cases there are more capacity too.
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Another option you may want to take a look at is Heckler & Koch's P30 or P2000.....albeit more expensive, they are very nice in 9mm.
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I needed an idiot-proof sidearm for work ( I take little solace that I apparently must work with some idiots ;D) and I narrowed it to the XD 45 and the Glock. XD won because it felt more natural in my hand and pointed much more instinctively for me. I went through a couple of thousand rounds before my required firearms course, and then over 500 rounds during that. No hiccups and it's an accurate pistol.
I got the opportunity to handle a XD M 9mm, and I was amazed that it felt even better than the XD. I mentioned it to a Glock guy at work, and he tried one out at a local range. He's impressed enough to buy one, and is scrounging the money as I type.
Both the Glock and the Springfield are excellent choices - try them both out, see what fits you best and what you shoot best.
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I do like the M&P too, but there are still trade-offs. Smiths don't have the chamber loaded indicator and the striker indicator, but they do have a super-evil magazine disconnect. If something goes wrong with the two aforementioned XD parts, the gun will probably still work when the SHTF. With the Smith, if something goes wrong with the magazine, you're left with a paper weight. If you lose your magazine, or your magazine becomes inoperable for whatever reason, you should be able to fire at least the last round in the gun, or use it as a single-shot breach loader.
Not all M&Ps have the mag safety. My M&P 9mm will fire w/o the mag inserted just have to oder the right SKU # from your dealer.
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I've had my XDm9 since Nov and enjoy it. I was looking for the .40 version but couldn't find one in my area until I picked up my 9mm. My dad and I find it shoots better than his .40 Glock. The only problem I have is the 19 rounds in the mag. I'm not used to having that many to eat through without needing another clip. Oh, something to think about it picking up an UpLULA http://maglula.tripod.com/uplula.htm (http://maglula.tripod.com/uplula.htm). It's so much better than the little loader they package with the gun.
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The XD is a fine gun, but i do prefer GLOCK. I do own 2 XD's myself and have no complaints. My 5 inch tac and 4 inch service model are nice and I feel a great buy for someone buying a first gun. They come with 2 mags a loader and mag pouch and a nice case to boot.
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You don't have to pull the trigger on the XDm to take it apart... you do on the glock.
yeah, yeah I know, you always unload your gun 1st... it will never happen to you...
The only safety you need is between your ears...
Well guess what, its also the most likly fail.
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You don't have to pull the trigger on the XDm to take it apart... you do on the glock.
yeah, yeah I know, you always unload your gun 1st... it will never happen to you...
The only safety you need is between your ears...
Well guess what, its also the most likly fail.
We all do dry fire practice too. If your following all of the other basic handgun safety rules, having to pull the trigger won't ever be an issue.
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We all do dry fire practice too. If your following all of the other basic handgun safety rules, having to pull the trigger won't ever be an issue.
See the most common safety to fail part of the post...
happnes far too often.
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Not all M&Ps have the mag safety. My M&P 9mm will fire w/o the mag inserted just have to oder the right SKU # from your dealer.
Unfortuanately, not in Commiefornia. Unless it is an existing model that has been grandfathered in from before our CA Certified Safe Handgun list, the gun has to have a magazine safety. That's why we don't get Keltecs and LCP's. :'(
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Unfortuanately, not in Commiefornia. Unless it is an existing model that has been grandfathered in from before our CA Certified Safe Handgun list, the gun has to have a magazine safety. That's why we don't get Keltecs and LCP's. :'(
That's too bad.
My M+P has the lovely engraved disclaimer right on the frame:
"Capable of being fired without magazine".
Posts about grip and feel are very valid and varied. Personal preference, shooters level of familiarity, etc,...
A partner of mine won't get a pistol without all the safeties, decockers, mag safety, etc,...
He's new to shooting, and is humble and smart enough to acknowledge his comfort level, (nice guy, just not a cocked and locked, or trigger safety kinda guy),....
Practice, practice, practice.
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I took the time today after work to go and check out the Springfield Armory XDM. I do like the ergonomics but did not like the trigger pull. Trigger pull, hole on top to show a round in the chamber, choice of safety or not, and adjustable backstraps helped me choose a Smith and Wesson M&P 9C for my wife. She had issues with anticipating recoil with the Glock and would jam it up. Another reason why I chose a Smith before getting her a Ruger LCP.
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Everyone:
Today, I purchased the SA 40 Cal XD-M. The gun has a totally different fell when compares to the XD or the Glock. I found the feel to be superior. In ten days, I will be able to bring it home.
JFK
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I think you'll be very happy with your new sidearm. Enjoy! :)
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Please let have the 411 on the new Pee shooter. :D
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Everyone:
I will let everyone know the 411 on my purchase after I pick up the gun in 10 business days. Appartenly, it is taking 10 days to process the NIC and state paperwork in Maryland.
John
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Recently purchased an XD subcompact in 40 S&W. Had the opportunity to take it to the range prior to purchase. I really liked the trigger as some have that long pull before firing. Not so with the XD. I have large hands so the mag extension gives me great control. This is my primary concealed carry weapon and with the Blackhawk Sherpa holster you don't even know its on your hip. Hope this helps you in your decision making.
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Everyone:
I picked up my XDM - 40 cal on Friday. I must say those of you that recommended the XDM over a Glock were absolutely correct. This gun is amazing. It has a perfect grip and the 40 cal ammon price is not that bad. I thank everyone for the great recommendations.
Now, I need to buy the 9mm. Is there a market for unused CZ-75B?
Thanks
John
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Dang now i have to put an xdm on my list of goodies and i have a sweet spot for 40S&W.
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Newbie question....
What is the difference in the XD and XDM?
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Size
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ok, thanks. I looked at an XD-40 this morning. I didn't see an XDM. Thanks again
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Newbie question....
What is the difference in the XD and XDM?
Most significant differences - barrel length is 4.5 inches and the barrel is match grade, better grip design, less trigger travel and the back strap is adjustable via three inserts. Someone summed it up pretty well when the stated the designers worked on the XD to make it extremely reliable and the XDm is tweaking the package for better performance. Police forces are taking a much more serious look at the XDm platform because of the increased performance and accuracy as well as the grip adjustibility. When the .45 XDm hits the market, it will replace my XD as my duty pistol.
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It's been out for awhile now, around here they have them in stores that can't even get all the Glocks they want, so there must be a butt load of them.
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While on a little vacation, I found and bought a Ruger LCR. When I got back home, I went to my usual gun shop and bought the XD-40 sub-compact. Hopefully, next week I'll be able to shoot the LCR and report back. The LCR feels VERY GOOD. Trigger is sweet!
The XD-40 sub-compact feels good, but even without a mag inserted, weighs as much as my fully loaded Glock 22.
I have carried it on my hip most of the day and it actually rides comfortably.
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My recommendation is a SS Loaded Champ. Not one hiccup ever. If you are considering a 1911.