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Title: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: ericire12 on July 28, 2009, 08:19:24 AM
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/20191447/detail.html

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BOULDER, Colo. -- A Boulder County family that has watched bears roam through their neighborhood for the last ten to 15 years got an up close and personal visit from a bruin early Monday morning.

The family told Boulder County deputies they were awakened when Sienna, the family's Russell Terrier-Shepherd mix, started barking. The family saw that a bear had entered their home after ripping off the screen door and was rummaging through the pantry.

Sienna bolted in front of the bear when the bear spotted the family.

"She made herself sound very fierce and very big, even though she's just a little 30-pound dog," said Brenda, who asked that her family’s last name not be used.

"When I heard my mom say there's a bear in the house, it was a scary thing," added Reed, Brenda's son.

Brenda's husband, Paul, said he was trying to give the bear room to maneuver out the house.

"As I was trying to do that, the bear charged at me. I had the shotgun and I shot it and it kept charging," Paul said.

He shot the bear three times with a shotgun, wounding it. That third shot stunned the bear and allowed the family to run out of the house and to their car.

When deputies arrived, they found the bear still inside the home, wounded and bleeding. They too experienced the bear’s aggressiveness.

"They tried to create a way so it could get outside, so they could put it down outside, but then it started charging at the officers," said Commander Rick Brough of the Boulder County Sheriff’s Office.

Deputies fired a handgun at the bear but one of the bullets bounced off its head and struck a window. Deputies finally killed it with a rifle.

"I didn't really see it," said Brittany, Brenda and Paul's daughter. "I heard it, but I didn't really want to see it."

The bear was a 2-year-old male that weighed 120 pounds. The Division of Wildlife believes that it was recently kicked out of the den and was trying to establish its own territory.

The family told deputies that the bear had been on their property several times recently. On Tuesday, the bear had tried to get through a door and had torn the screen off. On Thursday the bear returned and broke into one of their vehicles. Paul was confident it was the same bear because of a wound on its front left paw.

"I don't know exactly how he forced the door open but it doesn't close right any more," Paul said.

This was the fourth time in five days a bear has broken into a Boulder County home in search of food.

"We know there are several bears in the area," said Kristin Cannon, of the DOW. "We don't know if all the house break-ins are due to one bear or multiple bears."

Cannon said this year the bears have plenty of food because of all the wet weather, so she is unsure why they are having these problems.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: fightingquaker13 on July 28, 2009, 08:39:23 AM
Totally off topic, but....how do you get a German Shepard, Jack Russel cross? Are there ladders involved? I know they're determined little bastards, but still?
FQ13
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: shooter32 on July 28, 2009, 08:52:49 AM
Totally off topic, but....how do you get a German Shepard, Jack Russel cross? Are there ladders involved? I know they're determined little bastards, but still?
FQ13

Where there's a will there's a way.  :o


The shepard wasn't German  ;)
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: ericire12 on July 28, 2009, 08:55:30 AM
Totally off topic, but....how do you get a German Shepard, Jack Russel cross? Are there ladders involved? I know they're determined little bastards, but still?
FQ13

Can we at least wait until page two before we drift the thread!
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: fightingquaker13 on July 28, 2009, 09:10:56 AM
Can we at least wait until page two before we drift the thread!
Silly rabbit.....
FQ13 ;D
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: Hazcat on July 28, 2009, 09:11:04 AM
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Deputies fired a handgun at the bear but one of the bullets bounced off its head and struck a window. Deputies finally killed it with a rifle.

.40 short and weak?


;D
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: shooter32 on July 28, 2009, 09:13:48 AM
From the Colorado Division of Wildlife

Only People Can Prevent Problems with Bears
 

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Black bears are curious, smart and very adaptable. They’re not fussy and will eat just about anything with calories. Bears want to get the most energy they can with the least amount of effort. Every bear’s goal is to get fat enough to live through the winter. Bear Calorie Counter 
Bird seed (7 lbs) = 12, 180 calories 
Dog Food (25 lbs) = 42,425 calories 
Peanut Butter (28 oz) = 4,750 calories 
Shortening (3 lbs) = 12,430 calories 
Berries (1 lb) = 2,000 calories 
Most conflicts between people and bears can be traced to easy-to-get-at human food, garbage, pet food, bird seed or other attractants. When people allow bears to find food, a bear’s natural drive to eat can overcome its wariness of humans.

Bears that get too comfortable around people can destroy property or even become a threat to human safety. Habituated bears must often be destroyed. Please don’t let bears die needlessly. Do your part to bear-proof your home and property, and help keep bears alive and wild.

Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: fightingquaker13 on July 28, 2009, 09:14:17 AM
.40 short and weak?


;D
Or cop speak for I freaked out, had an ND, and the window broke so it must have bounced off Yogi's head. You choose.
FQ13
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: Hazcat on July 28, 2009, 09:25:14 AM
Or cop speak for I freaked out, had an ND, and the window broke so it must have bounced off Yogi's head. You choose.
FQ13

Hadn't thought of that angle but it has a ring to it.  ;)
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: Ichiban on July 28, 2009, 09:30:52 AM
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Where there's a willie there's a way.

Fixed it for you.  ;D
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: long762range on July 28, 2009, 09:34:02 AM
I remember a few years ago a polar bear tried to crawl through a window to eat a family in Alaska.  The teenaged boy in the house shot it 13 times with a .357 before he killed it.  If you have bear problems you do need a big gun.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: fightingquaker13 on July 28, 2009, 09:39:38 AM
I remember a few years ago a polar bear tried to crawl through a window to eat a family in Alaska.  The teenaged boy in the house shot it 13 times with a .357 before he killed it.  If you have bear problems you do need a big gun.
He reloaded three times? I admire the stick to it-inveness, but wouldn't running away been smarter?
FQ13
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: long762range on July 28, 2009, 09:44:34 AM
He reloaded three times? I admire the stick to it-inveness, but wouldn't running away been smarter?
FQ13

No place to run.  The bear was out to kill and eat them.  It has circled the house several times seeking a way in before it chose the window.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: m25operator on July 28, 2009, 09:45:35 AM
Usually can't out run one anyway.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: fightingquaker13 on July 28, 2009, 09:48:42 AM
Usually can't out run one anyway.
That's what little brothers are for. ;D
FQ13
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: Hazcat on July 28, 2009, 09:49:39 AM
That's what little brothers are for. ;D
FQ13

Like they say "I don't have to outrun the bear, just you!"

;D
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: Bidah on July 28, 2009, 10:07:31 AM
Yes, you need to keep bear medicine around.  We have a 12ga 870 short barrel loaded full with slugs for just such occasion.  We have already had one incident with a grizz, thankfully not in the house.

I really would rather deal with these 4 legged creatures of nature anyway.  They are more predicable than the 2 legged kind.

-Bidah
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: ericire12 on July 28, 2009, 10:17:08 AM
Yes, you need to keep bear medicine around.  We have a 12ga 870 short barrel loaded full with slugs for just such occasion.  We have already had one incident with a grizz, thankfully not in the house.

I really would rather deal with these 4 legged creatures of nature anyway.  They are more predicable than the 2 legged kind.

-Bidah

Unless they are rabid
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: tt11758 on July 28, 2009, 01:51:33 PM
Unless they are rabid


Rabid two-legged ones, or rabid four-legged ones?   ;D
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: Hazcat on July 28, 2009, 01:53:24 PM

Rabid two-legged ones, or rabid four-legged ones?   ;D

Rabid?  I thought it said rabbit cause he can't hit a fast moving target.


;D
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: ericire12 on July 28, 2009, 01:56:28 PM
Rabid?  I thought it said rabbit cause he can't hit a fast moving target.


;D

I hit your mama last night! ;D
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: tt11758 on July 28, 2009, 01:58:48 PM
Rabid?  I thought it said rabbit cause he can't hit a fast moving target.


;D


Hell Haz, I can't SEE a fast-moving target unless I get my bifocals JUST right.   ;D
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: Hazcat on July 28, 2009, 02:14:40 PM
I hit your mama last night! ;D

EWWWWWWW!  She's been dead for 2 years!
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: blackwolfe on July 28, 2009, 02:44:57 PM
Had a friend of mine a few years back in Colorado had one that tried to get in the window over the kitchen sink.  He was squared away on it with his Ruger .357 Blackhawk that he had handy when it backed out.  When he called fish and game they told him they had numerous calls on a problem bear in the area and if it came back to please shoot it.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: PegLeg45 on July 28, 2009, 03:06:29 PM
We were in Ormond Beach, Florida two weeks ago and a black bear was captured not too far from where we were staying.
People used to say there were no bears in southern Georgia too, until the DNR caught one in a Cracker Barrel trash dumpster right here in my town....and two weeks later one was hit by a car about ten miles out of town.

I guess you never know what's gonna come up outta the woods these days.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: Rob10ring on July 28, 2009, 03:57:41 PM
.40 short and weak?


;D
There was the guy in Alaska who killed a grizzly in his home with his Glock 22. I still would have rather had my shotgun with slugs.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: fightingquaker13 on July 28, 2009, 04:25:11 PM
There was the guy in Alaska who killed a grizzly in his home with his Glock 22. I still would have rather had my shotgun with slugs.
Traitor! Its perfection, damn it!  ;D
FQ13
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: Hazcat on July 28, 2009, 04:27:05 PM
As long as it wast a POS Sig Mosquito at least you know it will fire!

(ya I know, I obsess).
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: Kid Shelleen on July 28, 2009, 04:27:52 PM
I had a buddy who was an Alaskan bush pilot (Crazy) and outfitter. His brother surprized a grizzly outside of their cabin. He shot the grizzly in the head with a .357 Magnum. The .357 round BOUNCED off the bears head. Scott came out and dispatched the grizzly with a rifle.

I always thought that maybe ol' Scott was stretchin' this story, but if a pistol round can bounce off of the head of a 2 y/o 120 pound bear.....................Just saying. I'd want a large bore rifle real handy in grizzly country.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: ericire12 on July 28, 2009, 04:30:40 PM
It reminds me of the movie The Great Outdoors with John Candy  ;D
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 28, 2009, 05:41:04 PM
I had a buddy who was an Alaskan bush pilot (Crazy) and outfitter. His brother surprized a grizzly outside of their cabin. He shot the grizzly in the head with a .357 Magnum. The .357 round BOUNCED off the bears head. Scott came out and dispatched the grizzly with a rifle.

I always thought that maybe ol' Scott was stretchin' this story, but if a pistol round can bounce off of the head of a 2 y/o 120 pound bear.....................Just saying. I'd want a large bore rifle real handy in grizzly country.

A bear head is fairly flat so the pistol bullet probably skidded off like firing at a low angle at a steel plate.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: twyacht on July 28, 2009, 06:36:27 PM
If you live in bear country,,,,,what ever happened to the old RIFLE on the mantle?

Cougar's, bears, lions,, tigers,...Oh My,...at least 12g with slugs, or buck n ball,....

The LEO's should carry the 870 in bear country, the trained ones with an AR-10 in .308...

It's bear country!!!

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/blackbear5.jpg)

and it's called a rifle,,.....although anything is better than nothing...

The Mosquito will at least piss it off long enough t get to a larger weapon....



Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: TAB on July 28, 2009, 06:41:55 PM
I've always heard a pump shot gun with slugs is the best tool for the job.

Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: Big Frank on July 28, 2009, 06:51:34 PM
If I ever end up in bear country carrying nothing bigger than a handgun it'll be a .44 Mag with hard cast solids like the ones I got from Cor-Bon.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: ellis4538 on July 28, 2009, 06:56:11 PM
We've had several black bear sightings recently near Kent State University (near Akron, Ohio) and surrounding area.  The advise the Dept. of Wildlife gives is "Bears don't have very good eyesight so they don't know what it is they have stumbled across...sooooo make a lot of noise to scare it off!"  Not me.....especially if she has cubs!  She'll never catch me cuz I ain't runnin in the same stuff she is!

Richard
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: ericire12 on July 28, 2009, 07:13:43 PM
If you live in bear country,,,,,what ever happened to the old RIFLE on the mantle?


That got legislated out of existence.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 28, 2009, 07:16:48 PM
I've always heard a pump shot gun with slugs is the best tool for the job.



THEY USED TO USE THEM TO TRACK WOUNDED LIONS IN AFRICA.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: blackwolfe on July 28, 2009, 07:17:15 PM
  Many years ago a bear and I surprised each other, from about 30 feet, in camp at the back of the mess hall.  I screamed and ran and so did the bear.  I'm not sure which of us ran faster as we ran in opposit directions.  The cook had an apartment in the mess hall and thought the bear had gotten me from all the commotion.  I didn't have to change my underware, but the door and lock of the cabin did need some repair.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: ericire12 on July 28, 2009, 07:19:57 PM
  Many years ago a bear and I surprised each other, from about 30 feet, in camp at the back of the mess hall.  I screamed and ran and so did the bear.  I'm not sure which of us ran faster as we ran in opposit directions.  The cook had an apartment in the mess hall and thought the bear had gotten me from all the commotion.  I didn't have to change my underware, but the door and lock of the cabin did need some repair.

Does a bear crap in the woods? Nope, that was blackwolfe :D
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: blackwolfe on July 28, 2009, 07:22:55 PM
Does a bear crap in the woods? Nope, that was blackwolfe :D
I wasn't loaded for bear.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: Pathfinder on July 28, 2009, 08:41:27 PM
We were in Ormond Beach, Florida two weeks ago and a black bear was captured not too far from where we were staying.
People used to say there were no bears in southern Georgia too, until the DNR caught one in a Cracker Barrel trash dumpster right here in my town....and two weeks later one was hit by a car about ten miles out of town.

I guess you never know what's gonna come up outta the woods these days.

Uh, yeah, it's called wildlife.   :o  8)

If the gummint man says it can't happen, well, it can and probably will.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: Pathfinder on July 28, 2009, 08:50:30 PM
If you live in bear country,,,,,what ever happened to the old RIFLE on the mantle?

Cougar's, bears, lions,, tigers,...Oh My,...at least 12g with slugs, or buck n ball,....

The LEO's should carry the 870 in bear country, the trained ones with an AR-10 in .308...

It's bear country!!!


(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/blackbear5.jpg)

and it's called a rifle,,.....although anything is better than nothing...

The Mosquito will at least piss it off long enough t get to a larger weapon....

Gee, it seems like only yesterday that our very own MB took on a mountain lion with a Sig P226.

http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2007/08/pussycay-pussycat-ive-got-flowers.html (http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2007/08/pussycay-pussycat-ive-got-flowers.html)




That's a 9mm for the uninitiated.  ;D
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: PegLeg45 on July 28, 2009, 09:27:50 PM
They trapped 14 bears behind one motel the last time we were in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee.

I don't know if my sarcasm came out in a previous post, but if you build in the animals back yard......you might expect a visit or two from time to time.

Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: tombogan03884 on July 28, 2009, 09:35:29 PM
 I'd rather have moose, bears and mountain lions than the human assholes I'm surrounded by.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: twyacht on July 28, 2009, 09:54:50 PM
They nabbed a repeat offender here in Weston last month,.. twice,... Young, dumb 150lb Black Bear, lucky,.. as it only met the tranquilizer gun...and a road trip....



Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: TAB on July 28, 2009, 09:57:53 PM
They nabbed a repeat offender here in Weston last month,.. twice,... Young, dumb 150lb Black Bear, lucky,.. as it only met the tranquilizer gun...and a road trip....





sadly they have found that does not really work.  the bears keep coming back.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: blackwolfe on July 28, 2009, 09:58:49 PM
I'd rather have moose, bears and mountain lions than the human assholes I'm surrounded by.

AMEN

Saw some women on TV news a few years ago that was a Kalifornia valley girl bimbo transplant to somewhere around Yellowstone or Glacier.  She moved there to get back to nature and ended up with a bear problem and was whining and carrying on about it.  The only bear problem I saw was it didn't eat her and poop what it couldn't digest.
Title: Re: Home Defense - You better be loaded for bear!
Post by: Rob10ring on July 30, 2009, 04:41:34 AM
AMEN

Saw some women on TV news a few years ago that was a Kalifornia valley girl bimbo transplant to somewhere around Yellowstone or Glacier.  She moved there to get back to nature and ended up with a bear problem and was whining and carrying on about it.  The only bear problem I saw was it didn't eat her and poop what it couldn't digest.

I feel sorry for the bear that swallows that much silicon.