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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ericire12 on September 14, 2009, 09:16:37 AM
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Two "Life partners" arm up to feel safer and because of fears over changing gun laws.....
http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=841433
It was time, Beth Salvesen felt, to buy a gun.
She'd thought about it for a long while, and finally pulled the trigger. "It's my right and I'm 50," the Greene County resident said.
Salvesen started the permit process last December and by the end of June, she had her permit.
She is now the owner of a Smith & Wesson .38-caliber revolver that she bought for $550. Her partner, Sherri Roff, also 50, went through the process with her and owns a Ruger Lightweight Compact Pistol .380 that runs $350.
Roff, the director of a rehabilitation center for women in Albany, said having the pistol "makes me feel safer. I have a much better chance of defending myself. Hope I never have to use it."
"We didn't want to wait any longer because you hear in the news the gun laws could change," said Salvesen, who works in construction as a painter. "I don't know if that's something against the President that the Republicans are saying or whether it's the gun people because they're the ones benefiting from it."
The two women from Freehold have joined thousands of Americans this year in becoming first-time handgun owners.
*Wow, lesbians have good taste when it comes to firearms! ;D
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Where the HELL is this! It takes 6 MONTHS to get a 'permit' to buy a gun! :o
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I hate to admit it, but it is right here in "gun friendly" New York State. :(
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I hate to admit it, but it is right here in "gun friendly" New York State. :(
Yep.
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Guys
I might have said this once or twice before.........but this is exhibit 2,567 why your liberal bashing is counter productive. Yeah, you don't like the social liberal program, but do you want more or fewer folks to support the 2A? Do want these women to feel comfortable if they logged onto this site or not? Its not being PC, its being smart. I'm not talking ideology. I'm talking math. I'm not a social conservative, I don't even play one on TV, but I am pro-2A. Do you want my support or don't you? Its just that simple. Grow the pro-2A movement, leave the extraneous crap to the wayside or we all lose, its just that simple.
FQ13 who says I told you so
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I hate to admit it, but it is right here in "gun friendly" New York State. :(
Yes and it is such a wonderful experience.
Get fingerprinted(Several Copies) Get to list four folks as references and they must SIGN the application. Have the state obtain your military records and call on your neighbors and family to ask about your stability and if THEY approve of your possession of a handgun. Undergo an interview. Generally get treated like a criminal and pay a few dollars to the local PD.
And then you can only own a handgun, not carry it without a lot of BS. And every handgun is listed on your license by serial number, don't get caught with a handgun not listed. And you must have a permit to even handle a handgun, your wife breaks the law if you let her shoot and she does not have a permit.
Go into a gun shop and want to look at a handgun, you better have a license and show it to the folks behind the counter.
Unless you live in a rural county upstate and you contribute to the local judge's election fund, forget about a carry permit.
A little known fact is that Rudie Giuliani revoked almost all the carry permits in NYC when he took over as EmperorMayor of NYC. Only folks with influence (Celebrities) can have carry permits now.
NY State is a Third world country. You are treated like a subject not a Citizen.
When I applied my file was over an inch thick stamped in big red letters NO RECORD. They did more thorough check that I got when I obtained a security clearance in the Army!
Then the process of buying a handgun. Get Serial number and info from gun shop (Naturally they want to be paid up front) Go to PD or Sheriffs dept with info. Pay fee to register gun, take paperwork back to gun shop, then take paperwork and gun back to PD for them to check, enter on your license and generally treat you like poop.
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Sounds like buying it from a street vendor would be easier which, if I were ever be unlucky enough to have to live in NY state, I would do in a heartbeat!
But I have choices and I don't have to live there. If MA gets that bad, I'm only 29 miles from NH and don't mind the commute to work should it come to that.
Good for these two women! Hopefully, living in the Catskills, they will never have the need for them but at least they know their rights!
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Not all counties are that bad in ny, where I live it took about 4 months to get a full carry permit. When I want to buy a new pistol I buy it and take the info on it to the Sheriffs office to add it to my permit. In about a week or less I get the permit to pick it up. There are some judges that will restrict your permit to "Target & Hunting" only, But there is nothing n the state law that allows them to do this. Yes I know this shouldn't be like this but you work with what you have.
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Guys
I might have said this once or twice before.........but this is exhibit 2,567 why your liberal bashing is counter productive. Yeah, you don't like the social liberal program, but do you want more or fewer folks to support the 2A? Do want these women to feel comfortable if they logged onto this site or not? Its not being PC, its being smart. I'm not talking ideology. I'm talking math. I'm not a social conservative, I don't even play one on TV, but I am pro-2A. Do you want my support or don't you? Its just that simple. Grow the pro-2A movement, leave the extraneous crap to the wayside or we all lose, its just that simple.
FQ13 who says I told you so
FQ, more supporters are always good, but sometimes tweaking or bashing liberals HAS to happen. I posted the video about the two guys carrying the AR's at that rally down in Arizona on my facebook page, just to celebrate the freedom of the moment. My EUROPEAN SOCIALIST step-sister sent about ten messages marking each major assagination in the US. And she ended it with Yeah some freedom. I went back through her list marking each one on their particular brand of liberalism and through in the Black Hand that started WWI the school shooting a couple years ago in Scandinavia where the little commie did it to celebrate Red October. I ended it with, "you know, you've convinced me liberals and other marxists shouldn't be allowed to own firearms." still waiting for a response.
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FQ, I meant nothing derogatory to the two new gun owners. I was referring to the crappy policies in my home state of New York.
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FQ, you are missing the point entirely. We are individualists, we don't give a rats butt what any one does in their personal life. What we object to is being forced to accept things we find offensive and getting stuck with the bill through our taxes.
The thing that made America great over the first 200 years of its history was that our mind set was different than Europe, in that the state answers to the people, not the other way around. That is the very essence of the 2A. You CAN NOT advocate both the supremecy of the state, AND the right to arms, they are mutually exclusive.
Those Social liberals who wish to IMPOSE State supremacy should go to one of the many countries where that model has already been put in place. ( and failed ) I hear Cuba is nice.
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And this site has very positively and publicly discussed the Pink Pistols - great group. So maybe we're not the ones with a problem? The 2A is open to all people as is this forum.
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FQ, I meant nothing derogatory to the two new gun owners. I was referring to the crappy policies in my home state of New York.
I don't think he was refering to your comment Salty. I think, (and this is me thinking now not necessarilly a good thing ;D), that he was pointing out that there ARE folks on the other side that DO believe in the Consitution as written. They may interpret it a little differently than we do but there are Americans on the left. Just damn few of them....
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I don't think he was refering to your comment Salty. I think, (and this is me thinking now not necessarilly a good thing ;D), that he was pointing out that there ARE folks on the other side that DO believe in the Consitution as written. They may interpret it a little differently than we do but there are Americans on the left. Just damn few of them....
Yup! And not so few as you'd think, its just that for most the 2A isn't really an issue, so they don't focus on it. It gives us room to recruit. Every pro-gun lib is worth 5 pro-gun GOPers as it dilutes the anti-2A litmus test in the Dem base. They used to make being pro-choice such a test. They now support a number of pro-life dems. The pro-2A dems can make 2a (more) mainstream and less of a partisan issue.
FQ13
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To me, the most amazing thing is that The Times Union, or Times Useless as I often call it, ran what I consider to be not a completely negative second amendment piece. Seemed reasonably fact based.
Took 3 months to get my CCW permit 'restricted to hunting and target shooting' in Albany County. And I was clearly one of the statistics in this article having added three ammendments to my permit since November.
And FQ I totally agree the more the merrier on the Pro2A thing.
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Yup! And not so few as you'd think, its just that for most the 2A isn't really an issue, so they don't focus on it. It gives us room to recruit. Every pro-gun lib is worth 5 pro-gun GOPers as it dilutes the anti-2A litmus test in the Dem base. They used to make being pro-choice such a test. They now support a number of pro-life dems. The pro-2A dems can make 2a (more) mainstream and less of a partisan issue.
FQ13
I think the million plus per month new gun owners are doing that quite nicely.
As to the other, I will confess to using the terms "liberal" and "socialist" interchangeably. When in fact that is not the case. Being "Liberal" technically is more akin to being a libertarian, and is in fact closer to many of the beliefs of members here. The "socialists" that we all hate are more accurately defined as "Statists" who very illiberally, want every aspect of life strictly controlled by by an Elitist government that "knows what's best".
Those are the ones we need to drag out and hang.
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I think the million plus per month new gun owners are doing that quite nicely.
As to the other, I will confess to using the terms "liberal" and "socialist" interchangeably. When in fact that is not the case. Being "Liberal" technically is more akin to being a libertarian, and is in fact closer to many of the beliefs of members here. The "socialists" that we all hate are more accurately defined as "Statists" who very illiberally, want every aspect of life strictly controlled by by an Elitist government that "knows what's best".
Those are the ones we need to drag out and hang.
Very good, young Padwan. ;D
FQ13
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Yes and it is such a wonderful experience.
Get fingerprinted(Several Copies) Get to list four folks as references and they must SIGN the application. Have the state obtain your military records and call on your neighbors and family to ask about your stability and if THEY approve of your possession of a handgun. Undergo an interview. Generally get treated like a criminal and pay a few dollars to the local PD.
And then you can only own a handgun, not carry it without a lot of BS. And every handgun is listed on your license by serial number, don't get caught with a handgun not listed. And you must have a permit to even handle a handgun, your wife breaks the law if you let her shoot and she does not have a permit.
Go into a gun shop and want to look at a handgun, you better have a license and show it to the folks behind the counter.
Unless you live in a rural county upstate and you contribute to the local judge's election fund, forget about a carry permit.
A little known fact is that Rudie Giuliani revoked almost all the carry permits in NYC when he took over as EmperorMayor of NYC. Only folks with influence (Celebrities) can have carry permits now.
NY State is a Third world country. You are treated like a subject not a Citizen.
When I applied my file was over an inch thick stamped in big red letters NO RECORD. They did more thorough check that I got when I obtained a security clearance in the Army!
Then the process of buying a handgun. Get Serial number and info from gun shop (Naturally they want to be paid up front) Go to PD or Sheriffs dept with info. Pay fee to register gun, take paperwork back to gun shop, then take paperwork and gun back to PD for them to check, enter on your license and generally treat you like poop.
GOD BLESS TEXAS!!!! 8) Reaffirms my desire to never go to or EVER live in NY.
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Google the pink pistols. its a gay group that beleaves very strongly that every one should be able to own a gun for protection.
they were started in the SF bay area.
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Google the pink pistols. its a gay group that beleaves very strongly that every one should be able to own a gun for protection.
they were started in the SF bay area.
And this site has very positively and publicly discussed the Pink Pistols - great group. So maybe we're not the ones with a problem? The 2A is open to all people as is this forum.
+1
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Google the pink pistols. its a gay group that beleaves very strongly that every one should be able to own a gun for protection.
they were started in the SF bay area.
They were also working with the SAF on the recent Gun rights case in SF about the cities ban on legally owned arms in public housing. (Which the city lost. )
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Very good, young Padwan. ;D
FQ13
Somebody whack FQ for me, would ya?
Thanks.
8)
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I won't slap the kid until he calls me an old fart ;D
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Uh, not that NYers don't have their problems, but the ladies are from Freehold which is in NJ. (Inland, west of Asbury Park, south of the Amboys.)
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Uh, not that NYers don't have their problems, but the ladies are from Freehold which is in NJ. (Inland, west of Asbury Park, south of the Amboys.)
No Alf, the article goes on to mention Albany, NY and other upstate towns. Freehold NY is in Green County, southwest of Albany in the Catskills of NY state.
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Oh my. You are so right. I just dropped to the bottom of the quote and saw Freehold and jumped to the conclusion they meant NJ. Obviously, if I had bothered to read the whole article they were referring to the quaint, un-incorporated "hamlet" of Freehold within the city of Greenville, NY, how could I have missed that?
I"M BAD. ;) Will crawl back in my hole for the evening.
GO LADIES!
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I wonder if the Rainbow Coalition is becoming more tolerant to LEGALLY purchased firearms for SD?
You know, for Bruce and Lance, and Sarah and Tina???
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I wonder if the Rainbow Coalition is becoming more tolerant to LEGALLY purchased firearms for SD?
You know, for Bruce and Lance, and Sarah and Tina???
Again, Matthew Shepard and the God Hates Fags guy woke a lot of these people up. Same with anti-choice terrorists shooting doctors and clinic workers waking up feminists. Its like a jewish girl I dated in high school put it to her anti-gun mother when she bought a pistol at 18 (legal then) "I'd rather carry a .357 than wear a yellow star". A lot on the left get it, we just need to sell the message.
FQ13
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GOD BLESS TEXAS!!!! 8) Reaffirms my desire to never go to or EVER live in NY.
+1 No permit needed, no fingerprints taken, no registration to the local PD or Sheriff. Your only limitation is your bank account. You don't even need a concealed carry permit to carry in your car. The only thing missing is open carry, and we're working on that now.