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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: DeltaM on September 17, 2009, 05:17:23 PM
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I have wonder for years what it would sound like to discharge a useful defense pistol inside my house. Since I live in the sticks, I opened the window in our bedroom, stood against the far wall and let my Springfield S&W .40 rip. Gosh almighty. My ears are still ringing and that was three days ago. It makes me wonder if I might be better of throwing my pistol at someone that has broke into our house. I never have seen the people on CSI Miami holding their ears ;D but I would be stuffing chewing gum or RedMan chew or even mud if I had the chance. What do LE people do?
Some day I'll learn to ask first and try latter.
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Now you know. I shot my Dad's .44 ruger flat-top out of an old house we used on a deer lease when I was a kid. I couldn't hear for days! It just takes one time! Here's your sign! ;D
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When lives depend on it you won't even HEAR the bang, or notice recoil.
That being said several people on here have recommended keeping a pair of electronic ear muffs beside their Home Defense gun.
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LEO's almost NEVER discharge their sidearms. If they do, it's gotten really, really bad and there is a ton of paperwork to fill out afterward.
Ask a cop how many times in their career they fired their service weapon outside of a range. The answer will most likely be NEVER. CSI is a rediculous TV show, let's hope people don't really take it seriously.
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LEO's almost NEVER discharge their sidearms. If they do, it's gotten really, really bad and there is a ton of paperwork to fill out afterward.
Ask a cop how many times in their career they fired their service weapon outside of a range. The answer will most likely be NEVER. CSI is a rediculous TV show, let's hope people don't really take it seriously.
True except for the SWAT teams - and they use ear protection and/or suppressed weapons.
Now you know why MB has been on a suppressor roll of late, touting the values and lambasting the Feds for including them with Class III and such.
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you get used to it. the worst one's are flash bangs, i must have had the wrong end of around 100 of those during my time on the CT team, we would practice all day constantly hitting every room with the things, you dont even blink after a while. saying that i am a little deaf in my right ear.
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Jackel and Tom have it right. If I ever fire a gun in my house the last thing I'm worried about is noise. My ears may be ringing but someone else is going to be bleeding out (plan A) or, I'll be bleeding out and a crook will have a shiny new Glock (plan B). Either way, noise is not an issue.
FQ13
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Somebody told me a Snubbie .357 mag was LOUD indoors, and that Lorcin L22 that slam fired in my living room was plenty loud....
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I understand that an old Ruger Hawkeye single shot pistol in .256 Win. magnum fired from inside a Volkswagon Beetle at a woodchuck is quite deafening.
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Somebody told me a Snubbie .357 mag was LOUD indoors, and that Lorcin L22 that slam fired in my living room was plenty loud....
I shot my .357 indoors a few weeks ago with 158 gr FHS and it was not too much fun with ear plugs. I don't use muffs indoors, I don't think they provide as much protection. I should have worn both that day. The .38's are much quieter.
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http://www.surefire.com/EP3-Sonic-Defenders
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6 CSI is a rediculous TV show, let's hope people don't really take it seriously.
Yeah but looking at the investigators and the scenery around Miami beach!!! :o
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Yeah but looking at the investigators and the scenery around Miami beach!!! :o
Its good to be me and TW, 8) plus the blond gun geek who is very, very hot, and was on The West Wing as well. I vote it a good show behind NCIS and my late lamented The Shield.
FQ13
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CSI is a rediculous TV show, let's hope people don't really take it seriously.
They do. When I went for jury duty, the defendant's attorney made a big deal out of CSI and how part of the case was going to be deriving evidentiary truth vs. TV.
saying that i am a little deaf in my right ear.
WHAT? ? ? ?
OK, someone had to say it! ;D
Its good to be me and TW, 8) plus the blond gun geek who is very, very hot, and was on The West Wing as well. I vote it a good show behind NCIS and my late lamented The Shield.
FQ13
West Wing was and is a fantasy show, along with Stargate, Firefly and anything on the really stupidly renamed SyFy network (mosquitoes the size of Volkswagens, anyone?). The show was invented by Hollyweird to remind everyone that the Dems had really won the 2000 election and the Bush had stolen the election through his brother. This way they could play-act the fact that they really were in the White House, and pay no attention to that shrub that was actually there.
It was hyped by compatriot Hollweird mopes who hated the very name Bush, and is still, to this day, getting huge airplay - far beyond its creativity (what there is of it) due to Viacom - another uber-liberal company who supported BJ klintoon and his ilk.
Stop thinking with your zipper - a trend in your posts these days - and open your eyes.
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They do. When I went for jury duty, the defendant's attorney made a big deal out of CSI and how part of the case was going to be deriving evidentiary truth vs. TV.
WHAT? ? ? ?
OK, someone had to say it! ;D
West Wing was and is a fantasy show, along with Stargate, Firefly and anything on the really stupidly renamed SyFy network (mosquitoes the size of Volkswagens, anyone?). The show was invented by Hollyweird to remind everyone that the Dems had really won the 2000 election and the Bush had stolen the election through his brother. This way they could play-act the fact that they really were in the White House, and pay no attention to that shrub that was actually there.
It was hyped by compatriot Hollweird mopes who hated the very name Bush, and is still, to this day, getting huge airplay - far beyond its creativity (what there is of it) due to Viacom - another uber-liberal company who supported BJ klintoon and his ilk.
Stop thinking with your zipper - a trend in your posts these days - and open your eyes.
Do NOT dis Firefly!
;D
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Do NOT dis Firefly!
;D
OMG, not you too? You have really gone over to the dark side! ??? 8) ;D
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A co-worker son has been issued a surpressed SAW in Iraq. We figure its for room clearing. He wears a Ranger comm set, (muffs and radio mike in one) but that still would be brutal.
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OMG, not you too? You have really gone over to the dark side! ??? 8) ;D
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Three things.
1) Firefly is a straightup western. Yes it has space ships but it might as well have the OK Coral and covered Wagons.
2) The West Wing, while a liberals fantasy world was one of the best written TV shows ever. It reminds you of the dialogue between Hepburn and Stuart in The Philladelphia Story. Smart writing is smart writing and politics be damned.
3) As far as your concern about my zipper, which is a bit odd, I keep it PG 13, much like Firefly, a great freaking show, I stand four square with Haz here.
FQ13
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I have it on very good authority that a friend can fire a Ruger Blackhawk .357 Magnum into their living-room ceiling and it is quite loud.
And as posted in another thread about .44's, I also have it on good authority that firing a .44 Magnum with Cor-Bon hunting ammo inside a 4x4 deer blind can be quite spine-tingling.....and loud.
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One time I was standing in a doorway, right next to the door and fired my .357. ONCE!!! I think I had an ear infection already but when the sound bounced off of the door a foot away it really hurt.
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One time I was standing in a doorway, right next to the door and fired my .357. ONCE!!! I think I had an ear infection already but when the sound bounced off of the door a foot away it really hurt.
.357 is the worst caliber in the world to shoot. I love it dearly for its down range effectiveness, but you get the big boom plus that hyper sonic crack. Just not a fun round to shoot. Its why most folks prefer to practice with .38.
FQ13
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.357 is the worst caliber in the world to shoot. I love it dearly for its down range effectiveness, but you get the big boom plus that hyper sonic crack. Just not a fun round to shoot. Its why most folks prefer to practice with .38.
FQ13
Speak for yourself youngster.
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Speak for yourself youngster.
Yea, a 50 round box of 158's reminds you you're shooting a REAL gun and not some classic underachiever! ;)
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Speak for yourself youngster.
What? WHAT???!!!! I can't hear you. Geezer! ;D
FQ13
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You guys are wimps. I shot a real gun inside my garage today with the door closed. No problem at all.
Didn't even stir the dog.
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You guys are wimps. I shot a real gun inside my garage today with the door closed. No problem at all.
Didn't even stir the dog.
Don't you DARE leave us hanging after a teaser like THAT. ;D
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Don't you DARE leave us hanging after a teaser like THAT. ;D
Where did you think I tested my NAA 22LR today?
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Haz always says, " Wheel guns are REAL guns" ;D
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Haz always says, " Wheel guns are REAL guns" ;D
I agree with Haz. I love my wheel guns.
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You guys are wimps. I shot a real gun inside my garage today with the door closed. No problem at all.
Didn't even stir the dog.
Must have been a paint ball gun or something you pump up to shoot :-X
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Where did you think I tested my NAA 22LR today?
I like the Aguila SSS rounds. 60gr bullet in a .22. Puts a thumpin on little critters. :D
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I like the Aguila SSS rounds. 60gr bullet in a .22. Puts a thumpin on little critters. :D
I have been looking for a defensive load in .22LR and think this might be it.
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Where did you think I tested my NAA 22LR today?
Haz always says, " Wheel guns are REAL guns" ;D
(http://yankeefist.net/DSC07158.JPG)
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You might want to talk to Badger.... he is into .22s..... I think he carries one of these:
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I have been looking for a defensive load in .22LR and think this might be it.
If I carried a .22, that would be my choice of round.
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You might want to talk to Badger.... he is into .22s..... I think he carries one of these:
I have an LCP, I'm holding out for one of these.......
"LaserLyte®, in association with North American Arms, presents the smallest laser and handgun combination in the world. Simply attach the new LaserLyte NAA-1 laser on selected North American Arms .22LR or .22MAG revolvers to get this amazing combo. The miniaturized unit clamps to the top of the handgun and provides laser accuracy."
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Anybody shoot a Ruger Blackhawk in .30 carbine? I have heard they are wicked loud.
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Those "really" little NAA's at LEAST have a .22Magnum... ::)
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Two words Gentlemen. Bond Arms. A double barrel derringer built built like a tank with interchanable barrels up to 10mm or .410. The stupidest thing I've done recently is sold mine. Buy one, you won't regret it.
FQ13 who wishes he could say the same about selling one :'(
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Two words Gentlemen. Bond Arms. A double barrel derringer built built like a tank with interchanable barrels up to 10mm or .410. The stupidest thing I've done recently is sold mine. Buy one, you won't regret it.
FQ13 who wishes he could say the same about selling one :'(
I would love to have a Bond Arms, but can't buy one in the mistate of California and it would take me forever to qualify with it.
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I would love to have a Bond Arms, but can't buy one in the mistate of California and it would take me forever to qualify with it.
Why can't you own one? Its not even semi auto, unless they are banning assault double barrels now?
FQ13 PS they are not all that high dollar either, you can find one for around $400 on gunbroker
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Why can't you own one? Its not even semi auto, unless they are banning assault double barrels now?
FQ13 PS they are not all that high dollar either, you can find one for around $400 on gunbroker
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/
If it isn't on the list, then you can't buy it here. Not all gun makers want to kiss CA's arse and submit their guns along with associated fees for testing. Plus they have to go through the process every couple years to keep it on the list
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That maddening bit of BS says you can't buy it or sell it IN Ca. What if you buy it outside of the state (what happens in Vegas can come bck to Oxnard, just like Visa bills and STDs ;D)? Is it legal, as Prohibiting you from doing so would possibly run into some commerce clause issues.
FQ13
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Simple solution - tell kalifornication to - well, fornicate themselves. Boycott all CA sales - DO NOT SELL to anyone in CA. No guns, no ammo, no parts, no nothing!
And let them know why. Ronnie Barrett started it, let the American people finish it.
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That maddening bit of BS says you can't buy it or sell it IN Ca. What if you buy it outside of the state (what happens in Vegas can come bck to Oxnard, just like Visa bills and STDs ;D)? Is it legal, as Prohibiting you from doing so would possibly run into some commerce clause issues.
FQ13
It is in violation of Federal law to buy a handgun anywhere except in the state that you claim residence, unless the transaction is through an FFL.
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Simple solution - tell kalifornication to - well, fornicate themselves. Boycott all CA sales - DO NOT SELL to anyone in CA. No guns, no ammo, no parts, no nothing!
And let them know why. Ronnie Barrett started it, let the American people finish it.
The ammo part of your comment is coming next, will have to be fingerprinted, no more mail order sales.
The original bill included a part that prevented the transfer of more than 50 rounds per month unless you were a licensed ammo dealer even among family members, but was removed in order to get it passed.
Urgent: Two Anti-Gun Bills Head to Governor’s Desk in California
Please Contact the Governor Today!
On Friday, September 11, the California Assembly passed Assembly Bill 962 by a 44-31 vote. AB962 now joins Senate Bill 585 on the desk of Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) where they await his consideration.
AB962 requires individuals purchasing ammunition be fingerprinted and registered at the time of sale, mandates that dealers keep these records and make them available for inspection by the California Department of Justice. Ammunition retailers would also have to store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers. Finally, mail order ammunition sales are prohibited under AB962. Over twenty years ago, Congress abolished similar requirements because ammunition sales records were found to be useless for solving crimes. AB962 is a dire threat to our Second Amendment rights in the Golden State.
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It is in violation of Federal law to buy a handgun anywhere except in the state that you claim residence, unless the transaction is through an FFL.
Yeah, hit a gun store in Nevada or Oregon. Where is the problem?
FQ13
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Yeah, hit a gun store in Nevada or Oregon. Where is the problem?
FQ13
the problem is they can't legally sell a gun to you/me.
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the problem is they can't legally sell a gun to you/me.
Actually untrue, you can buy a gun out of state. Your only problem is if Ca bans the simple possesion of the item, then you're screwed if you get caught with it. As a gun dealer in Fl. say, I have to follow Fl., and federal law. I also can't SHIP to Ca., if the weapon is banned as I place my self under their jurisdiction the second I do so. On the other hand, if you show up in sunny So. Fl. and pass the background check, and wait the 5 days, the Governator can kiss my ass. The only relevant question is whether you break the law in Ca. just from owning it, and according to the law you quoted it doesn't seem so. I would sure as hell ask a lawyer first though. :-\
FQ13
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Actually untrue, you can buy a gun out of state. Your only problem is if Ca bans the simple possesion of the item, then you're screwed if you get caught with it. As a gun dealer in Fl. say, I have to follow Fl., and federal law. I also can't SHIP to Ca., if the weapon is banned as I place my self under their jurisdiction the second I do so. On the other hand, if you show up in sunny So. Fl. and pass the background check, and wait the 5 days, the Governator can kiss my ass. The only relevant question is whether you break the law in Ca. just from owning it, and according to the law you quoted it doesn't seem so. I would sure as hell ask a lawyer first though. :-\
FQ13
If you acquire a handgun outside the state and bring it into the state you have become what is called a personal handgun importer and:
Any person who meets the definition of a personal handgun importer who moves into
California with the intention of establishing residency in this state, must report his or her ownership
of any handgun acquired outside California to the Department of Justice within 60 days.
A personal handgun importer means an individual who meets specific criteria, which
includes, but is not limited to, any person age 18 or older, who is not a licensed firearms dealer or
manufacturer, and who owns and intends to possess within this state on or after January 1, 1998, any
pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person that is not an assault
weapon or machinegun, as defined by law. (Penal Code § 12001(n).)
Personal handgun importers shall report handgun ownership by choosing one of the
following options:
• Forward by prepaid mail or deliver in person to the Department of Justice, a report
prescribed by the department. Forms are available from the Department of Justice,
firearms dealers, law enforcement agencies, and the Department of Motor Vehicles;
• Sell or transfer the firearm in accordance with the provisions of Penal Code section
12072(d);
• Sell or transfer the firearm to a dealer licensed pursuant to Penal Code Section
12071;
• Sell or transfer the firearm to a sheriff or police department. (If this option is chosen,
individuals should notify the agency in advance that they intend to transport the handgun to that
agency, and it should be transported unloaded and in a locked container). (Penal Code
§§ 12026.2 (a)(18), 12072(f)(2)(A).)
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As a side note FQ13 I'm talking handguns, not long guns here, and there is an exception to the rule allowing me with a C&R FFL to purchase outside CA in a face to face transaction:
A federally defined C&R pistol, regardless of age, can be imported into CA if it is legally purchased out of state by a CA resident with a Class 03 C&R FFL and if physical possession of the piece is taken by the Californian Class 03 C&R FFL outside of CA. It can be imported by the CA Class 03 C&R FFL purchaser only - hand carry it back or UPS it to yourself. Importation of the pistol must be reported within 5 days to the DOJ on their special form BCIA 4100A (NEW! download form 4100A HERE) with a $19 payment per firearm. Buying a C&R Makarov with your Class 03 C&R FFL in Las Vegas or Arizona and bringing it (or shipping it) back to California is OK if you register it within 5 days.
Rifles/shotguns are another whole issue. Just ask anyone from California that has gone to the Cabela's near Reno and tried to buy a shot gun.
My wife could buy one there, but I wouldn't be able to.
Federal law allows a non-licensed person to purchase/aquire/transfer a long gun in another state, that is contiguous to your state of residence, from a FFL dealer located in that state. However, the transfer has to comply with both the purchaser's and seller's states' laws. [18 USC 922(b)(3)]
(If you live in Arizona, Idaho or Utah, you can buy & take possession of a rifle/shotgun in Nevada. California is exempt from this due to California law.)
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The ammo part of your comment is coming next, will have to be fingerprinted, no more mail order sales.
The original bill included a part that prevented the transfer of more than 50 rounds per month unless you were a licensed ammo dealer even among family members, but was removed in order to get it passed.
Urgent: Two Anti-Gun Bills Head to Governor’s Desk in California
Please Contact the Governor Today!
On Friday, September 11, the California Assembly passed Assembly Bill 962 by a 44-31 vote. AB962 now joins Senate Bill 585 on the desk of Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) where they await his consideration.
AB962 requires individuals purchasing ammunition be fingerprinted and registered at the time of sale, mandates that dealers keep these records and make them available for inspection by the California Department of Justice. Ammunition retailers would also have to store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers. Finally, mail order ammunition sales are prohibited under AB962. Over twenty years ago, Congress abolished similar requirements because ammunition sales records were found to be useless for solving crimes. AB962 is a dire threat to our Second Amendment rights in the Golden State.
More than anything, cut off the cops - no gun sales, no ammo sales, no freakin' parts sales. Nothing! Cut them off, and enjoy the fruits of their labors!
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California gun laws are a big reason why I still own a home in AZ and would never consider living in CA long term.
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More than anything, cut off the cops - no gun sales, no ammo sales, no freakin' parts sales. Nothing! Cut them off, and enjoy the fruits of their labors!
I wish to God the gun companies would do this. They would gain so much more long term from solidarity, in terms of ciivilian sales, but they sell out for short term profit. Its like union bus drivers driving scabs to a factory during a stike. If they did say to the cops, 50 rounds per man per month, a waiting period no EBWs etc, the laws would be changed in a month.
FQ13
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What happens if you do like the bad guys and just do it anyway, go to Alcatraz? I found out today that the paperwork that accompanies a firearm sale is not sent to anybody. They just keep it in the gun store and if someone gets hurt with the gun, then the feds track it to see who owns the gun.
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What happens if you do like the bad guys and just do it anyway, go to Alcatraz? I found out today that the paperwork that accompanies a firearm sale is not sent to anybody. They just keep it in the gun store and if someone gets hurt with the gun, then the feds track it to see who owns the gun.
It depends on the state. CA records all handguns sales and serial number in a state database and every hand gun brought into the state must be registered, but this does not apply to long guns except for assault weapons .
There is no firearm registration requirement in California except for assault weapon owners and personal handgun importers. However, you may submit a Firearm Ownership Record to the DOJ for any firearm you own. Having a Firearm Ownership Record on file with the DOJ may help in the return of your firearm if it is lost or stolen. With very few and specific exceptions, all firearm transactions must be conducted through a firearms dealer.
You are considered to be a personal handgun importer as defined by California law. You may bring all of your otherwise California-legal firearms with you, but you must report all of your handguns to the DOJ within 60 days as required utilizing the New Resident Handgun Ownership Report. [PDF 518 kb / 2 pg] You are not required to report rifles or shotguns. You may not bring ammunition feeding devices with a capacity greater than ten rounds, machineguns, or assault weapons into California.