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[david86440]

Why can't you own one? Its not even semi auto, unless they are banning assault double barrels now?
FQ13 PS they are not all that high dollar either, you can find one for around $400 on gunbroker

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

If it isn't on the list, then you can't buy it here. Not all gun makers want to kiss CA's arse and submit their guns along with associated fees for testing. Plus they have to go through the process every couple years to keep it on the list

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[fightingquaker13]

That maddening bit of BS says you can't buy it or sell it IN Ca. What if you buy it outside of the state (what happens in Vegas can come bck to Oxnard, just like Visa bills and STDs )? Is it legal, as Prohibiting you from doing so would possibly run into some commerce clause issues.
FQ13

[Pathfinder]

Simple solution - tell kalifornication to - well, fornicate themselves. Boycott all CA sales - DO NOT SELL to anyone in CA. No guns, no ammo, no parts, no nothing!

And let them know why. Ronnie Barrett started it, let the American people finish it.

[david86440]

That maddening bit of BS says you can't buy it or sell it IN Ca. What if you buy it outside of the state (what happens in Vegas can come bck to Oxnard, just like Visa bills and STDs )? Is it legal, as Prohibiting you from doing so would possibly run into some commerce clause issues.
FQ13

It is in violation of Federal law to buy a handgun anywhere except in the state that you claim residence, unless the transaction is through an FFL.


 
  

[david86440]

Simple solution - tell kalifornication to - well, fornicate themselves. Boycott all CA sales - DO NOT SELL to anyone in CA. No guns, no ammo, no parts, no nothing!

And let them know why. Ronnie Barrett started it, let the American people finish it.

The ammo part of your comment is coming next, will have to be fingerprinted, no more mail order sales.

The original bill included a part that prevented the transfer of more than 50 rounds per month unless you were a licensed ammo dealer even among family members, but was removed in order to get it passed.

Urgent: Two Anti-Gun Bills Head to Governor’s Desk in California
Please Contact the Governor Today!

On Friday, September 11, the California Assembly passed Assembly Bill 962 by a 44-31 vote.  AB962 now joins Senate Bill 585 on the desk of Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) where they await his consideration.

AB962 requires individuals purchasing ammunition be fingerprinted and registered at the time of sale, mandates that dealers keep these records and make them available for inspection by the California Department of Justice.  Ammunition retailers would also have to store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers.  Finally, mail order ammunition sales are prohibited under AB962.  Over twenty years ago, Congress abolished similar requirements because ammunition sales records were found to be useless for solving crimes.  AB962 is a dire threat to our Second Amendment rights in the Golden State.

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[fightingquaker13]

It is in violation of Federal law to buy a handgun anywhere except in the state that you claim residence, unless the transaction is through an FFL.


 
  

Yeah, hit a gun store in Nevada or Oregon. Where is the problem?
FQ13

[david86440]

Yeah, hit a gun store in Nevada or Oregon. Where is the problem?
FQ13

the problem is they can't legally sell a gun to you/me.

[fightingquaker13]

the problem is they can't legally sell a gun to you/me.

Actually untrue, you can buy a gun out of state. Your only problem is if Ca bans the simple possesion of the item, then you're screwed if you get caught with it. As a gun dealer in Fl. say, I have to follow Fl., and federal law. I also can't SHIP to Ca., if the weapon is banned as I place my self under their jurisdiction the second I do so. On the other hand, if you show up in sunny So. Fl. and pass the background check, and wait the 5 days, the Governator can kiss my ass. The only relevant question is whether you break the law in Ca. just from owning it, and according to the law you quoted it doesn't seem so. I would sure as hell ask a lawyer first though.
FQ13

[david86440]

Actually untrue, you can buy a gun out of state. Your only problem is if Ca bans the simple possesion of the item, then you're screwed if you get caught with it. As a gun dealer in Fl. say, I have to follow Fl., and federal law. I also can't SHIP to Ca., if the weapon is banned as I place my self under their jurisdiction the second I do so. On the other hand, if you show up in sunny So. Fl. and pass the background check, and wait the 5 days, the Governator can kiss my ass. The only relevant question is whether you break the law in Ca. just from owning it, and according to the law you quoted it doesn't seem so. I would sure as hell ask a lawyer first though.
FQ13

If you acquire a handgun outside the state and bring it into the state you have become what is called a personal handgun importer and:

Any person who meets the definition of a personal handgun importer who moves into
California with the intention of establishing residency in this state, must report his or her ownership
of any handgun acquired outside California to the Department of Justice within 60 days.

A personal handgun importer means an individual who meets specific criteria, which
includes, but is not limited to, any person age 18 or older, who is not a licensed firearms dealer or
manufacturer, and who owns and intends to possess within this state on or after January 1, 1998, any
pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person that is not an assault
weapon or machinegun, as defined by law. (Penal Code § 12001(n).)

Personal handgun importers shall report handgun ownership by choosing one of the
following options:
• Forward by prepaid mail or deliver in person to the Department of Justice, a report
prescribed by the department. Forms are available from the Department of Justice,
firearms dealers, law enforcement agencies, and the Department of Motor Vehicles;
• Sell or transfer the firearm in accordance with the provisions of Penal Code section
12072(d);
• Sell or transfer the firearm to a dealer licensed pursuant to Penal Code Section
12071;
• Sell or transfer the firearm to a sheriff or police department. (If this option is chosen,
individuals should notify the agency in advance that they intend to transport the handgun to that
agency, and it should be transported unloaded and in a locked container). (Penal Code
§§ 12026.2 (a)(18), 12072(f)(2)(A).)

[david86440]

As a side note FQ13 I'm talking handguns, not long guns here, and there is an exception to the rule allowing me with a C&R FFL to purchase outside CA in a face to face transaction:

A federally defined C&R pistol, regardless of age, can be imported into CA if it is legally purchased out of state by a CA resident with a Class 03 C&R FFL and if physical possession of the piece is taken by the Californian Class 03 C&R FFL outside of CA.  It can be imported by the CA Class 03 C&R FFL purchaser only - hand carry it back or UPS it to yourself.  Importation of the pistol must be reported within 5 days to the DOJ on their special form BCIA 4100A (NEW!  download form 4100A HERE) with a $19 payment per firearm. Buying a C&R Makarov with your Class 03 C&R FFL in Las Vegas or Arizona and bringing it (or shipping it) back to California is OK if you register it within 5 days.


Rifles/shotguns are another whole issue. Just ask anyone from California that has gone to the Cabela's near Reno and tried to buy a shot gun.

My wife could buy one there, but I wouldn't be able to.

Federal law allows a non-licensed person to purchase/aquire/transfer a long gun in another state, that is contiguous to your state of residence, from a FFL dealer located in that state. However, the transfer has to comply with both the purchaser's and seller's states' laws. [18 USC 922(b)(3)]
(If you live in Arizona, Idaho or Utah, you can buy & take possession of a rifle/shotgun in Nevada. California is exempt from this due to California law.)