Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Hazcat on September 24, 2009, 06:19:41 AM
Title: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: Hazcat on September 24, 2009, 06:19:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aqMTD5UFmU
This was filmed around June 19, 2009 at the B. Bernice Young Elementary School in Burlington, NJ.
Lyrics ======== Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama He said that all must lend a hand [?] To make this country strong again Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama He said we must be clear today Equal work means equal pay Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama He said that we must take a stand To make sure everyone gets a chance Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama He said Red, Yellow, Black or White All are equal in his sight Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama Yes Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
segue to
Hello, Mr. President we honor you today! For all your great accomplishments, we all [do? doth??] say "hooray!" Hooray Mr. President! You're number one! The first Black American to lead this great na-TION! Hooray, Mr. President something-something-some A-something-something-something-some economy is number one again! Hooray Mr. President, we're really proud of you! And the same for all Americans [in?] the great Red White and Blue! So something Mr. President we all just something-some, So here's a hearty hip-hooray a-something-something-some! Hip, hip hooray! (3x)
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: tt11758 on September 24, 2009, 07:33:46 AM
I just threw up a little in my mouth. :(
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: fightingquaker13 on September 24, 2009, 07:46:59 AM
Y'know, when I was a kid, and just learning to be a libertarian, I got pushed strongly in that direction by the cult of Reagan. In hindsight I realize he was, in balance, a good President despite some serious shortcomings. At the time though, in junior high and high school, I was fed a steady diet of "just say no" abstinence only" and other BS. It was jammed down my throat from my high school and junior high school principals on a daily basis. It pushed me so far away from the GOP that I still have a reflexive distrust of the party. It doesn't stop me from voting GOP, but I still remember those school assemblies where I felt like an extra in "Triumph of The Will". Again, not a knock on Reagan who was a good president, just overeager school administrators. They didn't seem to understand that even 14 year old's don't trust folks who say "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you".They also didn't get the fact that while we weren't into politics, we knew when we were being fed the party line.The point is this. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that at least half of those kids will react the same way I did and never vote Dem without a damn good reason as a result of this BS. They will have learned not to love "the man" but to distrust authority. Good for them. FQ13
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: jnevis on September 24, 2009, 08:40:22 AM
I have to say that is disturbing but I can see some of the "draw." My oldest has started thinking for herself (at 15, so there IS hope for the future) and regularly picks up on the BS and asks WTF?
The youngest (6) is somewhat obsessed with Obummer but for a very basic and understandable (for a 6 y/o) reason. When the elections were going on the school sent home a Newsweek for Kids (or something like it I forget) and it had a list of McCain and Obummer's hobbies and favorite sports/foods/etc. Her decision was based on that; Obummer liked a lot of the same things she did (pizza, basketball...) "If he likes what I like than he must be OK." Not issue based but logical for her age.
I think FQ is right to some extent. A lot of kids are either going to "drink the kool-aid" or "Not a chance in hell." It's the middle ground kids that will make the difference.
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: shooter32 on September 24, 2009, 08:44:59 AM
Y'know, when I was a kid, and just learning to be a libertarian, I got pushed strongly in that direction by the cult of Reagan. In hindsight I realize he was, in balance, a good President despite some serious shortcomings. At the time though, in junior high and high school, I was fed a steady diet of "just say no" abstinence only" and other BS. It was jammed down my throat from my high school and junior high school principals on a daily basis. It pushed me so far away from the GOP that I still have a reflexive distrust of the party. It doesn't stop me from voting GOP, but I still remember those school assemblies where I felt like an extra in "Triumph of The Will". Again, not a knock on Reagan who was a good president, just overeager school administrators. They didn't seem to understand that even 14 year old's don't trust folks who say "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you".They also didn't get the fact that while we weren't into politics, we knew when we were being fed the party line.The point is this. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that at least half of those kids will react the same way I did and never vote Dem without a damn good reason as a result of this BS. They will have learned not to love "the man" but to distrust authority. Good for them. FQ13
FQ, are you kidding me? ??? Did you look at the video? ???
These kids are like second graders (third grade at the most). They are not secondary school kids who have had the chance of having developed a “Sh*t from Shinola” detector.
Kids of the age in the video accept what they are taught at face value – they have no filters.
When you put it to music, rhyme or beat and it becomes even more memorable to kids.
Barack Hussein Obama He said Red, Yellow, Black or White All are equal in his sight Mmm, mmm, mm!
Does this sound familiar to a song many of us were taught in Sunday school?
If you didn’t go to Sunday school how about doesn’t it sound like a “Pledge of Allegiance” to Obama Maximus. A pledge from 7 or 8 year olds!
It is not innocent, it is dangerous!
All Hail Obama Maximus! Everyboby sing, this time with feeling..."Mmm, mmm, mm!"
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: ericire12 on September 24, 2009, 11:01:50 AM
Consider the source.... shake your head...... and walk off.......
Yes, Its come to this--------------------------------------------------------------->"POOP!" ;)
All I'm saying boys is that heavy handed propaganda from the state will either cause you to win big or lose big. When you play this game you don't play small. Either it works or it bites you in the ass in a serious way. Remember Ababedinjad's (sic and I don't care, screw him) comment that "there are no homosexuals in Iran" comment? He was addressing a mostly respectful audience at NYU and they all broke out in belly laughs. Far more effective than any heckler could ever be. Same with BO or any President, We don't do cults of personality here very well. We tend to tear down and ridicule our leaders. This both a good thing and a bad thing for reasons I don't need to explain, but it has been an American thing since the days of the Revolution. Just watch late night TV if you doubt me. I think that teacher took a class of 8 year olds who will look at that video their moms recorded ten years from now and be both embarrassed and pissed. I doubt any of them will feel less than used when they hit voting age even if they agree with the Dems, they may vte the party, but they will be cured of any personality cult. The ridicule of their peers and the teenage need to rebel against authority will cure them of that. The American culture will reinforce it. We love our heroes, but we love to see them fail even more. That's just part of the American culture. I ain't worried (nauseated, but not worried). So Eric, consider this source and tell me where I'm wrong. FQ13
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: tombogan03884 on September 24, 2009, 11:21:49 AM
FQ, If that were true then why did Lenin say , "If we begin training them when they are young they will be ours forever. " While what you say MAY apply to High School students in the context of the kids in this video it is BS. Come to think of it, since you are IN education, you have to be aware that the preteens are the "formative years". This casts your post in to the realm of "Disinformation".
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: WatchManUSA on September 24, 2009, 11:39:44 AM
All I'm saying boys is that heavy handed propaganda from the state will either cause you to win big or lose big. When you play this game you don't play small. Either it works or it bites you in the ass in a serious way. Remember Ababedinjad's (sic and I don't care, screw him) comment that "there are no homosexuals in Iran" comment? He was addressing a mostly respectful audience at NYU and they all broke out in belly laughs. Far more effective than any heckler could ever be. Same with BO or any President, We don't do cults of personality here very well. We tend to tear down and ridicule our leaders. This both a good thing and a bad thing for reasons I don't need to explain, but it has been an American thing since the days of the Revolution. Just watch late night TV if you doubt me. I think that teacher took a class of 8 year olds who will look at that video their moms recorded ten years from now and be both embarrassed and pissed. I doubt any of them will feel less than used when they hit voting age even if they agree with the Dems, they may vte the party, but they will be cured of any personality cult. The ridicule of their peers and the teenage need to rebel against authority will cure them of that. The American culture will reinforce it. We love our heroes, but we love to see them fail even more. That's just part of the American culture. I ain't worried (nauseated, but not worried). So Eric, consider this source and tell me where I'm wrong. FQ13
Pa-Leese! The country can't wait 10-years to see if these kids become self-aware and reject this crap!
* There is a willing press that has willing rejected their once cherished function to keep the government honest.
* The teachers unions are willing to advance liberal values.
* There are parents who are too self-absorbed to care. There are parents who actually think the government owes them something.
* There is the National Endowment of the Arts who is working with the White House to promote art to support Obama’s goals.
* There are groups like ACORN who coordinating efforts in support of Obama.
* There is big money behind Obama.
* There are lawmakers lined up to steamroll legislation through Congress.
This is not a liberal vs. conservative issue - this is about values, liberty and freedom!
Smell the coffee, man!
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: fightingquaker13 on September 24, 2009, 11:53:43 AM
Pa-Leese! The country can't wait 10-years to see if these kids become self-aware and reject this crap!
*
You only need to wait three watchman. IF the GOP can get its act toghther and put up a real candidate as opposed to McCain-Feingold or someone who has been drinking the "movement" (no comment) Kool-aide. Find another Reagan, they win. Give us a Romney (McCain lite) or a guitar strumming Huckabee (Falwell lite) and they lose. Personally, I don't see a lot of contenders, but three years is a long time. I hope for the best. Obama was a vote against. I genuinely pray to have someone to vote FOR in 2012. Hell even the Libertarian candidate was more of a jackass than either McCain or BO in '08. It makes you want to scream. FQ13
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: tt11758 on September 24, 2009, 12:00:21 PM
You only need to wait three watchman. IF the GOP can get its act toghther and put up a real candidate as opposed to McCain-Feingold or someone who has been drinking the "movement" (no comment) Kool-aide. Find another Reagan, they win. Give us a Romney (McCain lite) or a guitar strumming Huckabee (Falwell lite) and they lose. Personally, I don't see a lot of contenders, but three years is a long time. I hope for the best. Obama was a vote against. I genuinely pray to have someone to vote FOR in 2012. Hell even the Libertarian candidate was more of a jackass than either McCain or BO in '08. It makes you want to scream. FQ13
The problem is, since you have exhibited that you are sexist, even the one in the Republican part closest to a Reagan wouldn't win your approval. You talk the talk, yet vote for the Obamanation.
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: WatchManUSA on September 24, 2009, 12:02:32 PM
You only need to wait three watchman. IF the GOP can get its act toghther and put up a real candidate as opposed to McCain-Feingold or someone who has been drinking the "movement" (no comment) Kool-aide. Find another Reagan, they win. Give us a Romney (McCain lite) or a guitar strumming Huckabee (Falwell lite) and they lose. Personally, I don't see a lot of contenders, but three years is a long time. I hope for the best. Obama was a vote against. I genuinely pray to have someone to vote FOR in 2012. Hell even the Libertarian candidate was more of a jackass than either McCain or BO in '08. It makes you want to scream. FQ13
Can't wait 3-years. It has to begin with the mid-term Congressional elections next year!
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: fightingquaker13 on September 24, 2009, 12:15:14 PM
The problem is, since you have exhibited that you are sexist, even the one in the Republican part closest to a Reagan wouldn't win your approval. You talk the talk, yet vote for the Obamanation.
Sexist? One question. If Hillary had won the nomination, would you have voted for her? If the answer is no, either call yourself a sexist or reconsider that accusation. Just sayin'. ;D FQ13
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: tombogan03884 on September 24, 2009, 12:26:44 PM
Sexist? One question. If Hillary had won the nomination, would you have voted for her? If the answer is no, either call yourself a sexist or reconsider that accusation. Just sayin'. ;D FQ13
My vote against Hillary would have been based on her proven record, just like my vote against Obama was. FQ claims to be a Libertarian yet espouses irrational hatred of the only one of the 4 who supported smaller Govt., lower taxes, and other alleged "Libertarian" values. He condemns Palin's "Lack of experience" yet voted for a proven socialist of even less experience. FQ derides the lack of foreign policy experience of Palin, who had been involved in negotiations with Canadian and Russian officials, while voting for some one who had never dealt with even inter STATE affairs. FQ's claims of non sexist attitudes, and having voted "against" ring hollow.
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: fightingquaker13 on September 24, 2009, 12:32:43 PM
My vote against Hillary would have been based on her proven record, just like my vote against Obama was. FQ claims to be a Libertarian yet espouses irrational hatred of the only one of the 4 who supported smaller Govt., lower taxes, and other alleged "Libertarian" values. He condemns Palin's "Lack of experience" yet voted for a proven socialist of even less experience. FQ derides the lack of foreign policy experience of Palin, who had been involved in negotiations with Canadian and Russian officials, while voting for some one who had never dealt with even inter STATE affairs. FQ's claims of non sexist attitudes, and having voted "against" ring hollow.
THey can ring anyway you want Tom, but Palin just rubs me the wrong way. The same way that Kerry and Romney did. It maybe irrational, and I will admit that, but sometimes you just meet someone you simply do not trust. Your mileage may vary and lets not get into yet another why I love/hate Sarah thread. Just accept that for reasons having nothing to do with sexism that I do not like her Sam I am. ;) FQ13
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: tombogan03884 on September 24, 2009, 12:58:03 PM
Hmmmm, Wasn't I the one who said women generally had no place in leadership ? ;D
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: ericire12 on September 24, 2009, 01:02:49 PM
Sexist? One question. If Hillary had won the nomination, would you have voted for her? If the answer is no, either call yourself a sexist or reconsider that accusation. Just sayin'. ;D FQ13
Yep, and I didnt vote for Obama because he is black ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
*Damn it. Why cant I listen to my own advise?!?!?!?
*Poop!
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on September 24, 2009, 01:16:47 PM
;D you sure are "pooping" alot.. LOL
but it keeps you out off the corner eating soap.... :-X...
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: ericire12 on September 24, 2009, 01:19:56 PM
Ms. Carney-Nunes Was responsible for coming to the school and teaching the kids this song.....
Carney-Nunes is senior vice president of The Jamestown Project, “the award-winning author of the children’s books, I Am Barack Obama (2009),” and according to her biography, “a graduate of Harvard Law School, where she was a schoolmate of President Obama.”
The Obama school song video that she taped shows her book featured on an easel next to the children hailing Dear Leader. She promotes her book as a tool that “allows children to see themselves through the inspirational story of President Obama growing up as an ordinary child asking, Who will change the world? Ultimately, he realizes that he will.”
She has spread this creepy cult message to schoolchildren across the country.
Here is the schools response:
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Dear Burlington Township Families:
Today we became aware of a video that was placed on the internet which has been reported in the media. The video is of a class of students singing a song about President Obama. The activity took place during Black History Month in 2009, which is recognized each February to honor the contributions of African Americans to our country. Our curriculum studies, honors and recognizes those who serve our country. The recording and distribution of the class activity were unauthorized.
If you have any further questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me or Dr. King, Principal of B. Bernice Young School, directly.
I never heard songs for any other POTUS, not Clinton, Reagan, Eisenhower, even Kennedy,...
This indoctrination is right up there with Chavez, Kim-Jong-Il (the beloved Emperor), Hitler and the Youth Programs....
It's off the page how far left this BS is. I would be pulling my kid out of that school, and would have to really restrain myself not punching a Faculty member who gave this the OK out cold... >:(
This is BS, and even FQ knows it.
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: PegLeg45 on September 24, 2009, 03:47:19 PM
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Title: Hey, Marshal....
Post by: ericire12 on September 24, 2009, 03:53:27 PM
I have to say that is disturbing but I can see some of the "draw." My oldest has started thinking for herself (at 15, so there IS hope for the future) and regularly picks up on the BS and asks WTF?
The youngest (6) is somewhat obsessed with Obummer but for a very basic and understandable (for a 6 y/o) reason. When the elections were going on the school sent home a Newsweek for Kids (or something like it I forget) and it had a list of McCain and Obummer's hobbies and favorite sports/foods/etc. Her decision was based on that; Obummer liked a lot of the same things she did (pizza, basketball...) "If he likes what I like than he must be OK." Not issue based but logical for her age.
I think FQ is right to some extent. A lot of kids are either going to "drink the kool-aid" or "Not a chance in hell." It's the middle ground kids that will make the difference.
Jnevis Just want to give you props for being a good dad (something in too short a supply these days). You are encouraging your girls to think for themselves, even if you don't agree. I particularly admire how you describe your youngest who likes BO because he likes pizza and hoops. You didn't step on her, just let a kid be a kid. I'm not a parent, but I had a great dad, and I am grateful for that every day (more grateful as I get older, but its funny how that seems to happen). It sounds like you are doing a great job and my hat is off to you. I forget the Arabic word, but it reminds me of a West Wing episode where President Batrlett is offered a cup of tea by a bedouin chief for being (insert Arabic word I don't remember) "a father of dauaghters". I wish you well. It sounds like you are off to a good start. FQ13
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: WatchManUSA on September 24, 2009, 04:48:16 PM
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Dear Burlington Township Families:
Today we became aware of a video that was placed on the internet which has been reported in the media. The video is of a class of students singing a song about President Obama. The activity took place during Black History Month in 2009, which is recognized each February to honor the contributions of African Americans to our country. Our curriculum studies, honors and recognizes those who serve our country. The recording and distribution of the class activity were unauthorized.
If you have any further questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me or Dr. King, Principal of B. Bernice Young School, directly.
So let me get this straight..."The recording and distribution of the class activity were unauthorized."
That’s all you have to say? The ONLY problem you, Mr. or Ms. Burlington Township Official, have with this is the distribution was unauthorized? You really don't have any problem if someone came in and did the same thing for Ronald Reagan? OF COURSE YOU WOULD!
IF IT WOULD BE WRONG OR OFFENSIVE FOR A REAGAN SONG THEN IT IS WRONG FOR OBAMA MAXIMUS, TOO!!!!!!
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: twyacht on September 24, 2009, 04:52:19 PM
Beck brought up a couple of good points:
Some schools have issues with Christmas, as to not offend anyone, it's not even called Christmas Break anymore in a lot of schools.
Hmmmm.....
Ask a Democrat/Liberal if they would have wanted their children to sing a song (The Battle Hymn Of The Republic) BTW, about George W. Bush.
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: Pathfinder on September 24, 2009, 06:02:21 PM
Let's see, multiple MSM magazine covers showing bho is beatific poses - halos (!!!!!) and all, anyone who dares raise a word against the anointed one is a racist. So this is just more of the statist religion coming home to roost, and anyone who speaks against it is an apostate - or worse. Get used to it, and after you have drunk the bho kool-aid, you can get on your knees and plead for mercy and forgiveness, just like you would with God, only this time it's for your own good. </sarcasm off>
As for me and mine, we'll stick with the Lord - the real one. This one can be abandoned to the devil - or the Lord's justice. Ain't my call which.
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: ericire12 on September 24, 2009, 06:09:26 PM
Did anyone not find this part of the lyrics offensive:
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Barack Hussein Obama He said Red, Yellow, Black or White All are equal in his sight Mmm, mmm, mm!
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: fightingquaker13 on September 24, 2009, 06:23:39 PM
So let me get this straight..."The recording and distribution of the class activity were unauthorized."
That’s all you have to say? The ONLY problem you, Mr. or Ms. Burlington Township Official, have with this is the distribution was unauthorized? You really don't have any problem if someone came in and did the same thing for Ronald Reagan? OF COURSE YOU WOULD!
IF IT WOULD BE WRONG OR OFFENSIVE FOR A REAGAN SONG THEN IT IS WRONG FOR OBAMA MAXIMUS, TOO!!!!!!
Actually watchman it is a MUCH bigger deal. I don't like the song either, nor the creepy agenda behind it. BUT and BUT putting kids on the internet without permission is huge. I tell stories about my students, but you will never me see use a name, not even in PMs as Tom can attest. There is reason for that. Student teacher confidentiality isn't protected by law but it is expected. In some states that video (minus waivers signed by the parents) would be a crime. Whatever idiot allowed that tape to hit the net should be crucified. The world is full of perverts and when children are entrusted to our care we need to ensure that they are not out there for anyone who is not invited, to see. Even at the university level, were I to to gosip about a student's grades and identify them by name, I would be breaking federal law, exposing my school to a lawsuit and get my ass fired faster than you can say legal liability. I accidentally posted my grades to a hunting site (long story) and I knew that if they hit the net I would be fired, sued and potentially prosecuted (highley unlikey, but still a real possibility). I had a friend "creatively" find the admin and called him early in the am and persuaded him to kill the post. Luckily for me he was a fellow academic and rather than being pissed at being woken up at 3am understood how bad I F'd up and saved my bacon.Morality and professional ethics are two different things, but here they coincide. You never violate student's (or their parent's if they are underage) privacy without written permission or a court order. If you do, you lose your job and even your best friend won't feel sorry for you. FQ13
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: Pathfinder on September 24, 2009, 07:36:50 PM
Actually watchman it is a MUCH bigger deal. I don't like the song either, nor the creepy agenda behind it. BUT and BUT putting kids on the internet without permission is huge. I tell stories about my students, but you will never me see use a name, not even in PMs as Tom can attest. There is reason for that. Student teacher confidentiality isn't protected by law but it is expected. In some states that video (minus waivers signed by the parents) would be a crime. Whatever idiot allowed that tape to hit the net should be crucified. The world is full of perverts and when children are entrusted to our care we need to ensure that they are not out there for anyone who is not invited, to see. Even at the university level, were I to to gosip about a student's grades and identify them by name, I would be breaking federal law, exposing my school to a lawsuit and get my ass fired faster than you can say legal liability. I accidentally posted my grades to a hunting site (long story) and I knew that if they hit the net I would be fired, sued and potentially prosecuted (highley unlikey, but still a real possibility). I had a friend "creatively" find the admin and called him early in the am and persuaded him to kill the post. Luckily for me he was a fellow academic and rather than being pissed at being woken up at 3am understood how bad I F'd up and saved my bacon.Morality and professional ethics are two different things, but here they coincide. You never violate student's (or their parent's if they are underage) privacy without written permission or a court order. If you do, you lose your job and even your best friend won't feel sorry for you. FQ13
So the issue is privacy, and not the conversion of the President of the United States into the reincarnation of Jesus?
Some Christian you are - hypocrite!
I will remind you one more time, this is all about creating a false idol, using a Sunday School song about Jesus only substituting bho's name, and the word/law of man pales compared to the word of God.
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: fightingquaker13 on September 24, 2009, 08:06:15 PM
So the issue is privacy, and not the conversion of the President of the United States into the reincarnation of Jesus?
Some Christian you are - hypocrite!
I will remind you one more time, this is all about creating a false idol, using a Sunday School song about Jesus only substituting bho's name, and the word/law of man pales compared to the word of God.
Uh, Path, take a deep breath and actually read what I wrote. 1) We agree that what went on was wrong 2) We agree that forcing kids to participate is wrong 3) I have no idea how religion got into this, but for the record, my Rosary has Hail Marys and our Fathers and there is no Obama bead
Given that is the case something you SHOULD understand is that the rules of the game matter. When you violate those, you put yourself beyond the bounds of law, civil discourse and the very covenant that holds a republic toghether. Its why I (and the Founders) hold treason and coruption in office to be the highest offences. Without those in power being held to account, the republic falls. We live in a free republic so long as we both make and obey the law, within the limits of the Constitution. So yeah, I get more upset that that video broke the law and every code of professional conduct. Why? because those can be applied neutrally without asking a jury "which political flavor do you prefer". You either get that, or are unfit to be a citizen of a democratic republic. Sorry if that's harsh, but it is the truth. The rules of the game matter. Otherwise screw elections, grab your AR (or AK to give Badger his due ;D) and welcome to Somalia. Its just that simple. FQ13
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: tombogan03884 on September 24, 2009, 08:30:46 PM
The part that Path is getting pissed about is that they have used a Christian Sunday school song (Even I learned that one ) Barack Hussein Obama He said Red, Yellow, Black or White All are equal in his sight To indoctrinate children to think of BO on a higher plain than a mere scumbag politician. Just as was done with Hitler, Lenin, Mao, and Ho Chi Mihn, (But not with either Bush or Reagan. FQ needs to keep his facts straight, don't let that college sh!t kick in. ::) ) This IS NOT "reinforcing the American dream, even a "poor" Black child can become President, this is purely indoctrination into the "Cult of the Obamanation" The object is NOT to inspire good citizenship, but in fact to get the youth (as "Isrealite's" ) to dance around and worship the "black calf" of socialist statism.
FQ, has a valid point that as badly as Christian belief has been undermined in America over the last 40 years, coupled with the intentional undermining of "American values" this is not an effective method of attacking this propaganda. To attack this as the "Deification of an undeserving mortal",which it is, would only draw support from SOME people of faith, the rest would either not care or would portray it as further evidence of the racist paranoia of "Those Right wing religious nuts". Attacking it on the basis of Privacy, exploitation of children, and undue political influence in the class room on the other hand is something that will draw the serious attention of even people who SUPPORT the egoist in chief.
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: WatchManUSA on September 24, 2009, 11:03:28 PM
Actually watchman it is a MUCH bigger deal. I don't like the song either, nor the creepy agenda behind it. BUT and BUT putting kids on the internet without permission is huge. I tell stories about my students, but you will never me see use a name, not even in PMs as Tom can attest. There is reason for that. Student teacher confidentiality isn't protected by law but it is expected. In some states that video (minus waivers signed by the parents) would be a crime. Whatever idiot allowed that tape to hit the net should be crucified. The world is full of perverts and when children are entrusted to our care we need to ensure that they are not out there for anyone who is not invited, to see. Even at the university level, were I to to gosip about a student's grades and identify them by name, I would be breaking federal law, exposing my school to a lawsuit and get my ass fired faster than you can say legal liability. I accidentally posted my grades to a hunting site (long story) and I knew that if they hit the net I would be fired, sued and potentially prosecuted (highley unlikey, but still a real possibility). I had a friend "creatively" find the admin and called him early in the am and persuaded him to kill the post. Luckily for me he was a fellow academic and rather than being pissed at being woken up at 3am understood how bad I F'd up and saved my bacon.Morality and professional ethics are two different things, but here they coincide. You never violate student's (or their parent's if they are underage) privacy without written permission or a court order. If you do, you lose your job and even your best friend won't feel sorry for you. FQ13
FQ, to clarify the record, I did not say “putting kids on the internet without permission” was not a problem. Nor did I down play it as an issue. I said, "The ONLY problem you, Mr. or Ms. Burlington Township Official, have with this is the distribution was unauthorized?"
I concede that many times my points are not written in such a way as to be clearly understood. Sometimes my typing can’t keep up with my train of thought. However, this is one time that I believe I was very clear in my statements. I didn’t say nor imply what you preached about.
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: fightingquaker13 on September 24, 2009, 11:14:18 PM
FQ, to clarify the record, I did not say “putting kids on the internet without permission” was not a problem. Nor did I down play it as an issue. I said, "The ONLY problem you, Mr. or Ms. Burlington Township Official, have with this is the distribution was unauthorized?"
I concede that many times my points are not written in such a way as to be clearly understood. Sometimes my typing can’t keep up with my train of thought. However, this is one time that I believe I was very clear in my statements. I didn’t say nor imply what you preached about.
No worries. If we didn't missunderstand each other from time time we'd have less to argue about and things would get boring. As it stands, I think that you and Path made good points abot the content of the video (which I agree with ) and this little dustup over a misunderstanding let me make a point about why I am so PO'd about it as a matter of process, law and professional standards. We all learned something and its all good. FQ13
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: alfsauve on September 25, 2009, 06:42:22 AM
Here's the other little "problem" with this indoctrination.
Assume for a minute Obama get elected to a second term. At the end of that term he, by the constitution, can not serve another term. UNLESS the constitution is amended.
Who will be eligible to vote 7 years from now? Today's 11 year olds! Today's 5th graders!
"They" are grooming the future voters.
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: tt11758 on September 25, 2009, 07:45:02 AM
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The recording and distribution of the class activity were unauthorized.
Does anybody else find it troubling that the school is only upset because word got out about what they were doing?
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: graywolf on September 25, 2009, 08:59:48 AM
To some, it seems pretty innocent. However, as a student of history, it reminded me of the newsreels of the late 30's of Nazi Germany or the Red Brigades of Communist China (extolling Chairman Mao) and more recently the the school children of Iraq entertaining Saddam Hussien. Any form of school prayer has been banned in our schools. I wonder how many start the day by saying the Pledge of Allegiance with "God" in it if at all? Now these children are being taught to extoll the virtues of an American President? Parents must stand up and confront their school boards and teachers who are entrusted with the well being and education of their children. These type of things are not part of the approved curriculum! Accountability - Accountability -Accountability. If you don't understand what that is, look it UP!
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: tt11758 on September 25, 2009, 09:30:04 AM
To some, it seems pretty innocent. However, as a student of history, it reminded me of the newsreels of the late 30's of Nazi Germany or the Red Brigades of Communist China (extolling Chairman Mao) and more recently the the school children of Iraq entertaining Saddam Hussien. Any form of school prayer has been banned in our schools. I wonder how many start the day by saying the Pledge of Allegiance with "God" in it if at all? Now these children are being taught to extoll the virtues of an American President? Parents must stand up and confront their school boards and teachers who are entrusted with the well being and education of their children. These type of things are not part of the approved curriculum! Accountability - Accountability -Accountability. If you don't understand what that is, look it UP!
Sadly, they are part of the approved curriculum. One must remember that it is the government that approves the curriculum in the public schools.
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: tombogan03884 on September 25, 2009, 01:10:29 PM
3 Posts from VC
Posted by Eugene Volokh: "School Children Singing the Praises of President Obama" (Apparently as a Public School Class Project): http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_09_20-2009_09_26.shtml#1253897939
According to [1]Fox News,
The commissioner of New Jersey's Department of Education ordered a review on Friday following the posting of a YouTube video depicting school children singing the praises of President Obama.
Video of the students at the Burlington, N.J., school shows them singing songs seemingly overflowing with campaign slogans and praise for "Barack Hussein Obama," repeatedly chanting the president's name and celebrating his accomplishments, including his "great plans" to "make this country's economy No. 1 again."
One song that the children were taught quotes directly from the spiritual "Jesus Loves the Little Children," though Jesus' name is replaced with Obama's: "He said red, yellow, black or white/All are equal in his sight. Barack Hussein Obama."
There were apparently death threats sent to the principal; of course, such threats are crimes, and should be punished. But I would hope that those responsible for the school project are properly disciplined as well; public school classrooms shouldn't be used to sing the praises of any sitting (or recent) political figure, whether Bush or Obama or anyone else.
That's not a constitutional matter -- there's no Establishment Clause for political speech, and of course schools do routinely glorify past political figures, whether Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, or what have you. They also rightly express a calm respect for current elected officials; when an official comes to visit, for instance, it's proper for teachers to give the normal praise offered such visitors, and for students to join in.
But that some degree of ideological indoctrination and glorification is inevitable in government-run schools, and is in fact one of the purposes of such schools (which have long been justified as means of assimilating children into American democratic culture), doesn't mean that it's proper to lead children in songs praising the current President or particular aspects of his political agenda ("Hooray, Mr. President we honor your great plans / To make this country's economy number one again!"). I would have thought that this was pretty clear, and it probably is to most teachers in most schools -- but not, unfortunately, in this instance.
Posted by Eugene Volokh: "New Low: Beck and Right-Wing Media Minions Fearmongering About Kids to Attack Progressives": http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_09_20-2009_09_26.shtml#1253900627
Is it just me, or is that [1]headline just a bit [2]rhetorically over the top? (No, the last link doesn't make a moral analogy, just an analogy in the rhetoric.) "New low"; "right-wing media minions" (why not "[3]nattering nabobs of negativism"?); "fearmongering" -- just a bit much for a credible debunking, it seems to me.
This is especially so when part of the fearmongering that is supposedly debunked is actually not bunk at all; here's the response the site (Media Matters) gives as to the Obama praise song incident:
Conservative media fearmonger about unauthorized YouTube video of school kids "praising" Obama
The Drudge Report: "SHOCK VIDEO: School kids taught to praise Obama ..." On September 23, Internet gossip Matt Drudge linked to a YouTube video purportedly showing "chool kids taught to praise Obama." The video, showing young schoolchildren in New Jersey singing a song about Obama, provides no evidence that the children or their parents consented to having the video posted on YouTube.
America's Newsroom: "Many parents ... just don't want this sort of political cheerleading, if you will, in the classroom." On Fox News' America's Newsroom, hosts Bill Hemmer and Megyn Kelly aired the video and asserted that "many parents" don't want kids "singing praises" to Obama. Before showing the video, Hemmer said: "It is one thing to have kids say the Pledge of Allegiance, but we're not sure what's going on with the videotape now online when students are singing praises to the president and why some parents are saying, not with my kid." Later, Kelly teased the video by saying, it's "getting attention on The Drudge Report website this morning. It shows young children singing the praises, quite literally, of the president." She continued:
KELLY: Well, information posted with the clip says that it is from the Bernice Young School in Burlington Township, New Jersey, but the school won't exactly confirm that for us. In fact, they won't confirm anything for us. We have made multiple attempts to ask them about these students, about this tape and how this came about. We are hoping that they can get back to us shortly, so that we can clear this up.
Already we're getting a lot of emails from our viewers. It went on from there -- you saw a clip of the children singing. Then came a bit of a chant by the children where they praised President Obama for all his great accomplishments, saying, quote, "You're number one. Hooray, Mr. President, we're really proud of you." And on and on it goes.
You know, many would have no problem with this. Many parents would, and just don't want this sort of political cheerleading, if you will, in the classroom. We just don't know the details behind the tape, but it certainly caught our attention and we're trying to find out from, again, from this school, which we have multiple calls into. The B. Bernice Young Elementary School, Bernice Young Elementary School in Burlington, New Jersey. And as soon as we have it, you'll have it. [America's Newsroom, 9/24/09]
The Fox Nation: "School Children Sing Songs of Obama's Glory." On September 25, the allegedly fair and balanced TheFoxNation.com posted the video with the headline "School Children Sing Songs of Obama's Glory." fearmongerkids2
Beck: Song sounds like "a hymnal for a dictator." On the September 24 edition of his radio show, Beck said: "I want to show you, and tonight I'm going to play the tape for you, of indoctrination that is going on. We've been going through all of this indoctrination for the last few days. Tomorrow, I do a full hour live with moms, and their children, and we're going to talk a little bit about things they're concerned with -- and indoctrination I know will come up. Play this, this is -- do we know where this is from? Elementary School in Burlington, New Jersey. The B. Bernice Young Elementary School. The woman who did this is, I believe, an activist, she's the principal, or the teacher. I don't have her name here. But listen to -- this is -- these are elementary school children, and they are singing a song for Barack Obama." After Beck played audio of the video and read the words out loud, he said it sounded like "a hymnal for a dictator. ... Does anybody see what's going on? Does anybody see what's going on?" Later, Beck said: "This is indoctrination. This should horrify the American people." [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Show, 9/25/09]
Beck also promoted the video September 24 on his Twitter feed: RT @keepthemhonest: How young does Obama target (more indoctrination video) http://is.gd/3C1Qc @glennbeck #tcot
Burlington Township School District superintendent: Song is from Black History Month activity, and the "recording and distribution of the classroom activity was unauthorized." The school board's superintendent wrote in a letter to parents that "[t]he video is of a class of students singing a song about President Obama. The activity took place during Black History Month in 2009, which is recognized each February to honor the contributions of African Americans to our country. Our curriculum studies, honors and recognizes those who serve our country. The recording and distribution of the class activity were unauthorized."
Really, that's it for the site's explanation for why this story is supposedly "fearmongering": The event took place during Black History Month; it "honors and recognizes those who serve our country"; and the video was "unauthorized" (note that the "unauthorized" meme makes its way even into the section header). Move along, folks, nothing to see here, nothing to fear, just regular honoring and recognition of public servants, plus the video of the event was unauthorized, which is somehow very important.
Posted by Eugene Volokh: "The Principal of a New Jersey Elementary School http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_09_20-2009_09_26.shtml#1253901868
The principal of a New Jersey elementary school where young students were videotaped singing the praises of President Obama is making no apologies for the videotape and says she would allow the performance again if she could, according to [three] parents who spoke with her Thursday night....
Parent Jim Angelillo said [Principal Denise] King told him the lesson was merely part of Black History month, and not an attempt to indoctrinate students, as critics have charged....
King has long been a fan of Obama, hanging pictures of the president in her school's hallways and touting her trip to his inauguration in the school yearbook.
Included in the full-page yearbook spread were Obama campaign slogans ("Yes we can! Yes we did!") and photos King took in Washington on Jan. 20, when she attended the inauguration.
There also were photos taken at the school depicting students doing Obama-themed activities about their "hopes for the future," featuring posters of Obama....
Attempts to reach King on Friday were unsuccessful....
I should stress that one should always be cautious about second-hand accounts of oral conversations; it may be that the parents misunderstood the principal, or that important context was omitted. That's why I hope that the principal, who is after all a public servant, does indeed publicly explain her position herself.
Title: Re: School kids taught to praise Obama
Post by: Pathfinder on September 25, 2009, 06:22:18 PM
Update - this is the same school that used the threat from "right-wing Christian extremists" in a security test in 2007.
FTA: "The Burlington Township School District in New Jersey is no stranger to political controversy.
The district, which is being criticized for a video that shows elementary school students singing President Obama's praises, drew howls in March 2007 when it hosted an "emergency management exercise" at Burlington Township High School.
The purpose of the drill, according to a statement released by township officials, was to "evaluate the response and mitigation procedures" of police, fire and emergency medical services. But conservatives were incensed that the district invented a fictional right-wing fundamentalist group it called the "New Crusaders" for the exercise.
Syndicated columnist Michelle Malkin and other bloggers criticized emergency management officials at the time for allegedly singling out right-wing Christian fundamentalists.
Township officials later apologized for any "insensitivities" raised.