This is incredibly disturbing

[tombogan03884]

Don't be pulling that liberal hypocrite crap of carrying a gun for SD and then spouting about thou shall not kill.
The actual Greek translation is thou shall not MURDER. Which is also something I don't subscribe to, I can think of plenty of cases where whacking some a hole is perfectly justified.
While I don't think the Govt should be using my money to pay for ANYTHING but the PO and Military.
I will call all of you who are screaming about how terrible abortion is Hypocrites, Where is your love of PERSONAL LIBERTY now ?
You sound just as bad as Olberman or dead Kennedy, "Good for me but not for thee."
You people REALLY disgust me sometimes. (All people really disgust me sometimes)

[TAB]

I am not talking about this planet, TAB, just America, and last I checked God and Jesus are still the majority. Just a scientific fact of faith. 

so every one that lives outside of the country does not count?  thats very christian of you( and yes I mean that litterly)

[tombogan03884]

No TAB, They don't.
I am not a citizen of the world and don't really care what happens to them.
(Although I DO enjoy 2 things, watching the Israeli's kick the crap out of Muslims, and the fist fights in the Japanese Parliament.    

[Rastus]

I think there is simultaneously personal liberty and personal responsibility to consider.  If one fails to assume responsibility for their actions should that same one deny someone their personal liberty to live?  Is not the Constitutional guarantee of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness owed to all citizens?  

When our Constitution was written the unborn were considered persons with rights they do not enjoy today.  Abortion is murder and I am responsible for my children as well as being responsible to them.

[tombogan03884]

The Constitution DOES NOT protect "Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" it's Life Liberty and PROPERTY"

http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html#life

"Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"

This phrase is commonly attributed to the Constitution, but it comes from the Declaration of Independence. The 5th Amendment does offer protections to our "life, liberty, or property," noting we cannot be deprived of any of them without due process of law.

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[Rastus]

U b rite tom.

[texcaliber]

Tom you should not get disgusted of friends or acquaintances , like all things in life and definitely on this forum, they are opinions of the people. Opinions, like orifices of the backside, usually stink if they are not yours. Now defending yourself and family, along with arming oneself, is actually recommended many times in the Bible. On the other hand protecting you child is also, as with anything you are interpreting a book, of many authors, from different time periods and trying to understand how to argue your point. The thing is what every Christian will tell you is the Number 1 thing is having Faith.  Wither wrong or right is debatable but your faith is the starting and ending statement. Many things will test it, try it, make you want to deny it and eventually help you find your way. Looking at your opinion is valid, but to compare to the

Olberman or dead Kennedy

is a little low. I truly do not even place FQ TAB  in that category, just because he still has a flicker of a chance. JOKE Just like everything else, people have free will, it is you who controls yourself, I of myself, responsibility is a "female dog".

Recap of point, do not hold peoples beliefs of God's word against them.  

*edit- FQ ment TAB sorry and still joking

[texcaliber]

so every one that lives outside of the country does not count?  thats very christian of you( and yes I mean that litterly)

Everyone counts and accounts of and to their own actions, it is responsibility towit i am referring. I am a "Cat-lick" so my beliefs stem from the history that if those whom wrong my beliefs or brotheren then we pull a "Crusades" on them. 

Now i am in the gray area of this debate, seriously. I do believe in Choice. Believe it truly is God's and Jesus' intention of Their actions and Words to give us the ability to "choose" . Also responsibility for the actions of those choices. To go even one step further, the "butterfly effect" is also a part of the responsibility. But  you and I, he or she, Christian or other all have a choice.

[Pathfinder]

Wow, this got out of hand quickly - but what else is new on DRTV? ? ? 

Tom, the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, not Greek That was the New Testament. But you are right that the Hebrew word is for murder, although some "scholars" will tell you otherwise.

This is not about personal freedom anymore than it is about FQ's "facts". This is about a form of murder.

Murder in the early colonies was dealt with quickly and decisively for a reason - it destroyed the cohesiveness of the community. For the same reason (I would hope but I think probably not), we do still have the death penalty in much of this country.

Our Founding Fathers would be aghast these days at a great many things, but murder of a living person would have disgusted them as well. Murder of an unborn child by a doctor would be absolutely incomprehensible to them.

We have grown too used to hearing of murders, hardened against the impact that they have, and too weak to attack the forces that have created a society so calloused to these murders.We're not talking about the exceptional case here, we are talking about contemporary American culture that has become so profoundly a culture of death.

There is an interesting moral dilemma that is often posed - if you could go back to 1930 in Germany, and kill Adolph Hitler scot-free, no capture, no risk of any earthly punishment, knowing all you know will happen if you don't, would you violate the Commandment not to commit murder and kill Hitler? Oddly perhaps, there is no right or wrong answer, your answer defines where you would draw the line.

As a Christian, TAB, I am not called upon to worry about the rest of the world. I am called upon to be a witness of God's grace in my life, and to take a stand against evil, to fight the forces of evil wherever and whenever I encounter them, and however I can. The rest is up to God.

[tombogan03884]

 It's the attitude that disgusts me.
OK maybe not Olderman, But it resembles Dead Kennedy to a T a bunch of people trying to dictate to another bunch of people "For the children".
Like Jefferson said, if it "neither picks your pocket, nor breaks your leg" what some one else chooses to do is pretty much none of your business, any more than what YOU do is any of theirs.
Also I'm getting VERY tired of 2How dam-ing to Hell every one who he disagrees with on this sort of stuff. I don't know about where HE's from, but up here we gave up on burning witches about 350 years ago.
In fact that is a VERY apt comparison.
The Salem witch trials had NOTHING to do with religion or witchcraft, they were about politics in the form of control of the Salem Parish records, The people who were hung were all from the faction that had lost power, but were raising a stink about it.
The abortion issue is much the same, when one faction wants wants to draw attention from how they are screwing you they bring up a 30 year old SCOTUS case, or Swine flu, or Tiger Woods infidelity, or Lindsey Lohan or some other BS alleged news because the the average person prefers T&A or being able to scream mindless slogan over actually THINKING about things like the results of the Climate change summit or the the Health care cornholing.
The stupidity of the masses has always been the biggest problem and greatest tool of Government.

Path, "Our Founding Fathers would be aghast these days at a great many things, but murder of a living person would have disgusted them as well. Murder of an unborn child by a doctor would be absolutely incomprehensible to them."

You are  misinformed on this point, While a surgical procedure would have shocked most of them (Franklin would have had several technical questions) the the practice would have been no more surprising to them than the prescription of Herbs for the same purpose 1,000 years ago, or 4,000 for that matter.

To finish I will stand by my statements that none of you have any right to condemn some one elses choices and then getting huffy about the grabbers condemning you for yours.