Terror Attack Stopped By Passengers On Detroit Flight

[fightingquaker13]

Agreed, my first hand sources have told me the same.  I just don't know why they don't roll a half dozen duffel bags into a bottlenecked airport security and figure the rest out from there.

Again though, why bother? Checkpoints, explosives, armed guards? Why complicate things? You'd get more bang for the buck with 24 idiots and an equal mumber of AKs or shorguns in Churches, malls and schools with a lot less chance of getting caught beforehand. Remember the DC sniper. Two idiots with a rifle and a beat up car were front page news for weeks. They only got caught by luck.  Look at Mumbai.These Al-Queda folks are too hopped up on their own propaganda to think tactically, and for that I am grateful.
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[Fatman]

What really blows my mind about all of the security bottlenecks at airports (and theme parks!) is that the effort to keep 'the plane' and 'the park' secure from a terrorist actually helps a terrorist. Think about it. They just gather massive amounts of tightly packed victims into one area (outside the gate) for a terrorist or two to blow themselves up amongst. Half their work is done - the target is massed, packed tight and relatively immobile. Who checks you before you get in to the massive crowd waiting for the security check? No one, that's who.

The whole system is one giant opiate for the masses; one that gives the impression of security for the sheeple still in denial. Fact is, everyone is in it neck deep and better just come to grips with the reality of the situation. Any place, any time a large group is present, you are a target for the nuts and the terrorists.

[deepwater]

for awhile, I was checked closely every time I traveled because I was flying with 1 way tickets. now, TSA looks at my 'TWIT' card and don't even know who issues it.... nor do they care. it's the same people that pay their checks.. 'homeland security'. what a joke they are. I can't believe 'TSA' can catch anything in their 'x-rays' considering the type of trash they hire......


AAAAAGHHGHHHHH!!!!!!!!


of course you can get on an airplane with whatever you want.


and of course, look at what was done in Mumbai with just a few guys with rifles.....
(good tactics by the way)
more effective and better chance of escape...

just my .02

[TAB]

The main reason they go after planes is...  they get lots of media attention.  It really is that simple. 

I'm not afraid of the guy that is willing to blow himself up to make a statement.   I'm afraid of the guy that knows what he is doing.   

A suicide attack takes zero skill and almost no training.

I've mentioned this before, a guy with a rifle could do litterly 100s mill in damage in 1 night in the bay area, all from a 1000+ yards way from his targets.  The only way you could really stop him is if you get lucky.

Take 10 guys with rifles, it litterly would be over in a matter of mins.

Taking out the bay areas, oil industry, would litterly effect every one in the country, at every level. If you were to do simlar attacks all over this nation at the same time, you would shut this country down.


Now I know the terrorist have people that are smart enough to figure this stuff out, have the talent to do it( or can train them, even multiable suicide atttacks, like flying light aircraft into the  refinerys would work) and understand what a attack like this would do.

The real question is why they have not done this...

[ratcatcher55]

TAB is correct, Big news coverage is important.

Large operations with a dozen folks means the mopes have to keep quiet for operational security. They seem to have a problem with that. One or two man attacks are very hard to uncover.

When I was in Romania for a conference last year there was lots of talks on the problem of liquid explosives. They are hard to detect and are very powerful.  The only good news was that most of the mopes blow themselves up because they tend to be pretty unstable.

It looks like they are following the old PLO tactic of going through less secure airports and transfering to the target countries. Athens was the big hole in airport security for years.

I agree that TSA is next to worthless. They did detect the AR wrench in my daypack last week. The security agent had no idea what is was but at least he didn't wig out on me.  Coming back from LA I got felt up by another TSA droid. I guess they hadn't screen enough pasty white middle age guys for their quota.

I thought this was going to stop when you guys elected Oboma?

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[fightingquaker13]

If you don't like the TSA, ty flying El Al some time. Make your reservation early because they might do a background check and wear clean undrwear as the odds are good their security people will be seeing it.
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[GUNS-R-US]

TSA is a joke! Security is hit and miss. But the majority of sheep Obey commands so that makes airplanes along with their delicate, deadly parts real nice targets!!!

[Pathfinder]

If you don't like the TSA, ty flying El Al some time. Make your reservation early because they might do a background check and wear clean undrwear as the odds are good their security people will be seeing it.
FQ13

Do you know this from personal experience, or just shooting off your opinion?

In fact, El Al has great security, 180 degrees from the US. TSA wankers are taught not to engage you, to stay focused on their jobs. El Al has everyone monitoring the passengers waiting in line or to board, and has special agents who are profiling the hell out of people, and engaging anyone they think is even slightly hinky. They look you in the eye, make small talk, and know how to read people. THAT is the primary reason El Al is the safest airline to fly, even though it is probably the most heavily targeted.

And yes, I know this from personal experience, I've known some of the agents.

And yes, TSA security is a joke. I make it a point to evaluate each time I go through security to see where the loopholes are. They abound.

As for putting packed duffels through security, having been through Chicago, Newark, Atlanta and especially United at Denver, that would mess up a lot of peoples' days. Like the one vignette in ModWar2 in the Russian airport. Lots of sheep waiting in the queues.

[fightingquaker13]

Do you know this from personal experience, or just shooting off your opinion?

In fact, El Al has great security, 180 degrees from the US. TSA wankers are taught not to engage you, to stay focused on their jobs. El Al has everyone monitoring the passengers waiting in line or to board, and has special agents who are profiling the hell out of people, and engaging anyone they think is even slightly hinky. They look you in the eye, make small talk, and know how to read people. THAT is the primary reason El Al is the safest airline to fly, even though it is probably the most heavily targeted.

Second hand experience. I had several Israeli friends, and a girl friend, in college. El Al (this was late '80s) would do things like run credit checks to verify passenger's identities. They also would use the observation techniques you descibed. During heightened alert at Dulles, they would sometimes use those cherry picker style buses to move people to the tarmac. Here, men and women were segregated into two busses and a mild strip search was conducted. If you didn't like it, don't fly El Al. Plus side, you were damn sure your plane wasn't going to get hijacked.
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[GUNS-R-US]

This from my local paper this morning.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/1007036.html

Perry Cooper, spokesman for Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, said Friday evening that airport police had been working with the Transportation Security Administration concerning a response to the event in Detroit.

“We have done some increase in visible patrols in and around the terminal,” Cooper said. “They’ll work to respond appropriately. That’s what folks would notice. Otherwise, we don’t expect anything that the traveling public would see.“

Any further reaction, he said, is “nothing that the traveling public would be aware of.”

For travelers departing from of arriving at Sea-Tac, he said, “We don’t expect any delays.”