might want to check this out about ammo

[Tyler Durden]

Tom Boogan wrote:

Tyler, one comment on your post, If you ever DO need to defend yourself, the extra few bucks you spend on a box of factory CARRY loads may save you a buttload of cash in extra legal fees. Is it worth the risk of being WRONG ?

Are you sure you aren't an insurance salesman?

Did you know that "IF" is the middle word in "life"?

FWIW, I am in ILL-annoyed.  Ya, know, the land of no CCW.  If I ever have to defend myself, it won't be with a handgun from upon my hip.  But rather a shotgun or a rifle, probably as I stand somewhere inside my house.

For those rare times when I actually do tempt fate and actually cross over into St. Louis or other parts of Missouri, I have enough "intell" and "spidey sense" to keep my wits about me and to keep me out of the...err... the "depressed parts" of town.

Some where out there on the intarwebs is probably some quote by Tsun Tzu about actually winning a fight before it is even started.  That's kinda my modus operandi.

Plus it helps that I am kinda shaped like a "V" and I have no neck.  Huh...no wonder people don't go, "Hey, man!  Gibme a dolla' man!"  when I'm on the St. Louis streets.

 

A stare right through them doesn't hurt either.

[fightingquaker13]

Tyler
I would no more presume to dictate what you load than to tell you what you can carry. I've made made my opinion clear based on what I have been told and don't claim it as "gospel". IMHO, that $40 you spend on Hydrashock/Gold Dot/ Golden Sabre is money well spent and one less thing you have to worry about. Your mileage may vary.
Live Long and Prosper
FQ13

[GUNS-R-US]

Heck....I live in Assachusetts and I carry factory JHP's, I was just trying to be a smartass with my comment because it's fun to pick on FQ....I don't reload and probably never will.

Up here, we recently had a shooting by an off duty cop (he may have been a special duty cop, whatever that means) while he was in a hospital, killed the fella trying to stab a doctor so he wasn't even part of the frakus.  He was off duty, with his own firearm, in the right place at the right time.  Crazy BG, ZERO!  Good Guy +1...

I don't recall any discussion in the news or in print pertaining to what his CCW sidearm was loaded with.  It was justified, pure and simple.  If the shooting is rightous, it doesn't matter what type of bullet it was IMO...if not, then get a good lawyer, prosecutors are paid like crap anyway.  Find one better, smarter and more expensive....and hope for the best.  When it comes to the safety of my family, I'll go to jail if I think I'm in the right.

.02....your milage, yada, yada.....

Unfortunately It doesn't always work out very well, the name escapes me now maybe someone else can recall it, but look up the Arizona case where the guy went to jail because he used a 10mm. Their are some weird folks out their in DA's offices that will say and do just about anything to get a conviction! Good conviction rate = promotion!

Mine and FQ's point is that you are taking a big risk by carrying reloads that's all!

And Tyler, you don't see many other names out their because Massad Ayoob is one of the very FEW people who is willing to put himself out on the limb for the rest of us. If you want to attend trials as the defense's expert witness and write books about SD then do it if you think your knowledgeable enough.

[tombogan03884]

 I don't reload now, and when I did it was rifle ammo, so I'm carrying factory loads any way.
But I will answer you this way, First, as I pointed out, Ayoob has for many years been a nationally recognized expert witness in SD shooting cases in courts across the country, secondly he is not the only source I have heard this from, just the only one I can name off the top of my head .
Here's another reiteration of my earlier post,  at Ammo engine I find "Double Tap" 45 ACP at $40/50

http://www.ammoengine.com/find/ammo/.45_ACP?sort=4&group=1

if you buy 2 boxes, at $80 and shoot at least one box for function testing in your fire arm then only use the other box for carry.
1 extra hour of lawyer fees will more than make up the expense.
 Do you think any lawyer would only bill 1 hour for complications to what could otherwise be a simple case ?
Is pinching a few pennies now, worth the chance of it costing you hundreds later ?
I've been impressed by your previous posts, and I don't know your personal situation, for all I know you are shooting what you can afford, but I put this out here for your consideration.

[GUNS-R-US]

I just remembered it Harold Fish was the name of the guy in Arizona.

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[tombogan03884]

Tyler, our posts are crossing, I'll come back to this thread later 

[Tyler Durden]

You can read up on Ayoob here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massad_Ayoob

I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't want my own words used against the pro 2A movement by the VPC and/or the Brady gang to fight the Heller decision.

See, also, definition of "self-licking icecream cone":

http://www.doubletongued.org/index.php/dictionary/self_licking_ice_cream_cone/

See, also, Pope declares earth to be flat, Bishop Vergilius of Salzburg persecuted in 750 for saying earth was round:

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:UMUGrPUhCwoJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth+pope+declared+the+earth+was+flat&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:UMUGrPUhCwoJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth+pope+declared+the+earth+was+flat&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Do all you people hang onto every word that every gun writer has ever written like it was carved in stone?

If so....then...good grief!

 

[Tyler Durden]

Oh yeah....if you happen to become the pet project of some unscrupulous but ambitous DA....like in the Duke lacrosse rape case....welll.... you are gonna be screwed anyway.

Best to keep your yap shut the moment the po-po show up and start drawing chalk outlines.

Your good name will be dragged through the mud and your character will be defamed to the point that a Nazi guard at Auschwitz would have stood a better chance of an acquittal at Nuremburg.

What kinda bullets....errr...boolits you used will be the least of your worries.

[TexGun]

Do all you people hang onto every word that every gun writer has ever written like it was carved in stone?

If so....then...good grief!

 

Nope.  But we do listen to a lot of them, digest what they have to say, and apply them using our best judgement.

IMO, reloads are great for practice, but even the most experienced reloader has loaded a squib at one time or another.  I'd rather bet the farm on factory loads in a fight. (ONLY MY OPINION!!!)

[PegLeg45]

Nope.  But we do listen to a lot of them, digest what they have to say, and apply them using our best judgement.

IMO, reloads are great for practice, but even the most experienced reloader has loaded a squib at one time or another.  I'd rather bet the farm on factory loads in a fight. (ONLY MY OPINION!!!)

We musta been typing at the same time, TexGun....that was going to be my point on this.

People are human and prone, sooner or later, to mistakes. Even if you've loaded 10,000 rounds without a mistake, are you willing to bet your life on 10,001? And yes, ammo companies can make a boo-boo too, but less likely than a re-loader.

Standard SD ammo ain't that expensive (Jaybet's circumstances are noted).