might want to check this out about ammo

[Tyler Durden]

 

[GUNS-R-US]

Thanks Peg for looking that up. That was a good post. I know it was wasted on Tyler but I think it will help sway some of the folks just visiting this tread that they may want to consider sticking with factory ammo for S.D. carry and save the reloads for the range. Consiquintly I watched a video of Clint Smith from thunder ranch on the http://www.guntalk.tv/site.php website in the free section discussing factory vs. reloads for S.D. use. His basic message was that most folks should stick to Factory loads though if you insist that your reloads are better than what the factory is offering have at it. 

[Tyler Durden]

I put the  smiley in there because out of those 3 or 4 cases that were cited, at best only one of them was a for real bona fide self-defense shooting.

The others were not in self-defense by a plain ol' "simple civilian".

And then, if I am not mistaken, the closest one to a self-defense shooting it was admitted that the investigators botched up the evidence collection.  Well, duh!!

You might just be screwed if you did use that high fallutin jacketed hollow point stuff anyway, because the Barney Fife's didn't follow the evidence procedures/protocols.

Trust me....as far as threads go... I have been down this road already, just about two months ago, on the cast boolits forum, and I know all the links that have already been presented.

And once again, all the links and cases came from Masaad Ayoob.

What might be interesting to ask him in an email is "How many self-defense shootings were there that involved reloads did the shooter get off scott-free with no mention made of his ammo?"

Eh??

[Tyler Durden]

Guns-R-Us wrote:

He can bait and switch and be an A$$ all he want's but I'll not be to likely to take anything he says with any seriousness.

[Ranger Dave]

Guys, I think this thread boils down to a Liability concern. How much Liability are you willing to incur?
In a civil suit the judge or jury is going ask themselves what would a Reasonable Person do? Would a Reasonable person use factory loaded ammo or would a Reasonable person load their own ammo?

Again how much LIABILITY are YOU willing to incur?

[Sponsor]

[texcaliber]

In a civil suit the judge or jury is going ask themselves what would a Reasonable Person do?

An oxymoron if I ever heard one. REASONABLE people in "Their" minds do not carry guns, never mind loaded with real bullets of any kind.

[seeker_two]

To get to PART of the argument, I went to the horse directly and sent Mr. Ayoob an email and asked about specific cases.
I received the following in an email from Mas Ayoob:

Thanks, Peg...and please extend my thanks to Mr. Ayoob for his response...I'm satisfied...

[tombogan03884]

Unless Tyler finds some other Nationally recognized specialist in shooting related gun law I'm satisfied, I don't see what the self defense aspect has to do with it when the issue is using handloads in a shooting, so those examples work for me.
Funny thing is is I knew James Kennedy, I was living in Hampton when I enlisted in the Marines. I didn't know him well but I knew who he was.

[fightingquaker13]

Thanks Peg. You are a more patient man than I. I didn't do the rearch because I am comfortable with my factory loads decision and just wanted to let others know why I decided that way. You went the extra mile. +10
FQ13

[twyacht]

Thanks Peg. You are a more patient man than I. I didn't do the rearch because I am comfortable with my factory loads decision and just wanted to let others know why I decided that way. You went the extra mile. +10
FQ13

Ditto...

Thanks Peg.

A final word: I did not research the above and place it here to placate lightweight net ninjas. I did it because three recent Internet threads led me to believe that a number of decent people had honest questions about the real-world concerns about using handloads for self-defense, and were possibly putting themselves in jeopardy by doing so. For well over a decade, certain people have been creating an urban myth that says, “No one has ever gotten in trouble in court because they used handloads.”

This is now absolutely, and I hope finally, refuted.

"Net Ninja's" that's just funny right there...