Downrange training

[fightingquaker13]

I would let the SAS do their famous live fire hostage rescue by shooting targets around me. I'll pass on anybody less qualified winging rounds around me.

I would submit that even that drill is BS. The only people it trains are the "hostages". They learn that in a spec ops entry you stay very f*cking still and keep your hands visible. Good for them, if they are taken hostage their odds of surival just went up. In real life? The hostages will be panicking, screaming, and running for the door. It does nothing but instill the troopers with a hieghtened awareness of how serious the game is. This is worthwhile, but not worth chancing lives to Mr. Murphy's tender clutches.
FQ13 who is no expert, but will never look at the muzzle end of a gun voluntarily. Stuff happens, I don't want it to happen to me.

[PegLeg45]

I already know what bullets whizzing by my head sounds like....I think I'll pass on hearing it again.

[fightingquaker13]

I already know what bullets whizzing by my head sounds like....I think I'll pass on hearing it again.

Amen and +10. Some things cannot and should not be simulated, because the more "real" you try to make it, the greater the odds that someone is going home in a body bag and and someone else is leaving in handcuffs. For what?
FQ13
PS In my inexpert opinion, getting shot at in earnest is like getting kicked in the balls. You don't prepare for that by inviting your friends to kick you in the balls so you get used to it. Instead, you try to avoid it, and learn to play hurt if you can't. The idea of "training" by inviting the possibility of the very thing we spend money and time trying to avoid seems perverse. Maybe that's just me, what do I know? Still, I know being "down range" from a hostile is a bad thing. I don't need or want a class that reinforces this basic concept.

[garand4life]

I'm just wanting to clarify my post earlier. I don't think for any reason downrange training should be utilized by casual shooters for any reason. But if your daily routine at work involves you entering and clearing a home or counter terrorism (obviously this is about .01% of the population) then some forms of this style of training may be appropriate. Drills that involve shooting and moving as a team make sense. I think that for the most part the training that is going on out there utilizing these drills is an unnecessary risk. But as I saw with the Jefferson county special response team this past summer. It was utilized well. I don't think it should be used as a standard by any means but I do think there is a very very small niche that it fills.

[tombogan03884]

 As far as I know the SAS only  do the live hostage thing to impress VIP's.

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[bulldog75]

FQ +10

[2HOW]

I think a room clearing scenario with live fire and a team shooting around you would be more beneficial. Getting used to gunshots close to you not at you would be better IMO.

[ellis4538]

I watched a special on the FBI HRT and they use one of their own during a live fire HR drill.  Gets them used to that sort of thing.  I agree that it is not for civies.  I would also hesitate to do a house clearing with a stranger or strangers unless I had spent a lot of time with them during the class, and maybe not even then!

Richard

[2HOW]

Ive been watching "shadow Warriors" on history channel. The host is a former SAS . He goes to different countries and trains with the elite. Also goes on raids, very good show. I wouldnt hesitate to go in with these people.

[Combat Diver]

Didn't see the show but by reading been there, done that....

  Agree that it is not needed for those that do not work in teams or for the average shooter.  It is very specialized training where you get confidence in your team mates ability to place rounds on target one meter in front of you.  My CQB course was two months long and I worked with those guys for years before, during (whole company went) and after.

CD