Author Topic: A TV documentary on "Who Killed the Electric Car?"  (Read 11491 times)

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Re: A TV documentary on "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2010, 09:06:18 PM »
Another good read.....National Geo...  http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/earth/inside-the-earth/nuclear-waste.html

Scary stuff.....can anyone say "Cluster F@&K!"

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Re: A TV documentary on "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2010, 10:39:08 PM »
I gotta stop reading this type stuff before I go to bed...........   :-\
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Re: A TV documentary on "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2010, 02:45:43 AM »
From what I have heard and read, the thing that killed the "Electric Car", and is killing off Hybrids, is the American non buyer.
 F-ck the Ice caps, I want my F 150.
I say go with Bio fuels, Wind, Solar, and hydro - power.
These units can be mounted on homes and factories.
Years ago on "Modern Marvels" they did a piece about a photovoltaic foil that would work (though at greatly reduced rates) by starlight.
I also remember a Popular Mechanics ( ? Science ? Whatever ) side bar about a solar generating "glass", for windows and greenhouses.
Why aren't we all over these things ? Sun ?  Wind ? The fact that water flows downhill ? At least one of those things is guaranteed any where on this planet.
Onsite generation would decentralize the energy network, making electricity available to everyone every where for the cost of maintaining it.
As for Nukes ? How can they say it's "cleaner", if the crap doesn't go away for  24000 Years ?
But the REAL problem with Nuke power is that it is dependent on one element that exists in finite amounts, in other words, some day we run out of Uranium, We wind up going with the free stuff anyway, but with the burden of a bunch of radioactive crap to deal with.

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Re: A TV documentary on "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2010, 05:06:52 AM »
ha we wish the world is all sunshine. 

Here's the problem with bio fuels, wind, solar and hydro power:

1. hydro power - the "fish" yep the fish, hippies don't like fish ladders or dams. (something about the ecosystem being out of whack)
2. wind and solar - aren't 24/7 power.  let's face it we don't have an efficient way to store power long term.
3. bio fuel - are grown and then processed into fuel....  well um... you need energy to  plow, water, fertilize, harvest, transport, synthesize fuel and distribute said fuel. 

As for the electric car.  I say yay! good idea! another way for OPEC to go F' them self.  If we all got electric cars with renewable energy to go with it.  I'm waiting for fusion power to come around.  I'm not sure if fusion produces radioactive byproduct, but he energy yield is 10-15 times more than nuclear fission.  Either way we might be screwed.

F' OPEC anyway! along with the hippies.
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Re: A TV documentary on "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2010, 06:53:51 AM »
one of my fav sayings  is

only milk and juice comes in 2 litres   that is a sledge against Rice burners  as I am a Holden Man  love my V8's



however for the Sparky cars  look up the Tesla

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Re: A TV documentary on "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
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Re: A TV documentary on "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2010, 11:32:37 AM »
I wonder why we don't fire nuke waste into the sun, or at least into deep space?  We just need a big gun to shoot it up there.
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Re: A TV documentary on "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2010, 11:52:00 AM »
I wonder why we don't fire nuke waste into the sun, or at least into deep space?  We just need a big gun to shoot it up there.

They've considered it in the past but I don't know much more than that. 

On a rather "Star Wars" kind of thought, what if we ARE NOT the only species!  Do we really need to crap up the entire universe because we're too lazy or arrogant to clean up after ourselves?

"Brain Salad" for sure! 

We could do like the Russians and just dump the stuff up under the ice caps! (SARCASM ALERT)

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Re: A TV documentary on "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2010, 12:03:15 PM »
All tipoes and misspelings are copi-righted.  Pleeze do not reuse without ritten persimmons  :D

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Re: A TV documentary on "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2010, 11:34:36 PM »
I used to work at GM Advanced Technology Vehicles (home of the EV1) and I can tell you what killed it, they sucked!

We used to drive them when our security vehicles went down. They were fairly good driving vehicles, for about 60 miles, then they would slow way, WAY, down just before they conked out. Recharge time was about 4 hours, assuming the batteries were good, some of them needed replacement and would only recharge partially and only go about 40 miles. The battery packs were custom made and so were replacements. In fact every single EV1 was effectively custom built and there were no parts in actual production, which is why GM scrapped them, they didn't want to get sued when a part went bad and the owner attempted to jury-rig something to keep it running.

In fact, electric vehicles are the most polluting vehicles ever built. Years ago a study was done which compared the electric Ford Ranger to a 4-cylinder Ranger. The electric ranger required an average of 4 TONS of coal for one recharge (remember you not only need the power you put into the batteries, but also the power to push those little electrons through the wires, and then there are all the losses that come with the power grid) and dumped more pollution into the air than running the gas Ranger 100,000 miles.

I like hybrids (they converted ATV to the GM, Daimler, Chrysler, BMV Hybrid Development Center while I was there) but the suck in America. You see, most miles driven in the US are highway miles where Hybrids are the least efficient. Hybrids depend on your hitting the brakes which are like an electric motor and recharge the batteries. Most hybrids are "weak-hybrids" that use the electrics to assist the gas motor, rather than "strong-hybrids" that only use the gas to recharge the batteries. I had units at my facility that got 110 MPG or 70 on the Highway, and they cost about 80 to 90% more than a diesel versions. In fact, the engineers would tell you that even at $4.50 a gallon it would take 9 years to recoup the increase in cost, but even then that didn't count the cost of the replacement battery (about 3 to $7000 depending on the model). I will admit though the BMW X6 (which I drove even before they were announced) was a REALLY cool vehicle.

In reality the reason electric vehicles will not work today is the power-grid and battery technology. The grid wastes more energy than we use because of the inefficiencies of copper wire and all the interconnected systems of generators, transformers and everything else. If the power grid was 100% efficient we would need only a fraction of the power we generate, but it ain't. The other issue is that current batteries are pitifully inefficient themselves, they don't store or deliver all the power you put into them. If we had good large-scale storage systems we could run electrical systems at peak efficiency all the time and not waste energy running them up and down with demand.     

As to the nuclear waste issue. The reactor rods are only "Waste" because the US government will not allow them to be reprocessed. A reactor rod will not sustain a reaction when 5% of the rod has converted to other materials (plutonium, neptunium, etc.). By reprocessing the rods you get all those very valuable products and only require replacing that missing 5%. The anti-nuke movement got reprocessing stopped after Three Mile Island and DuPont loved it because it means that you have to keep digging up and processing fresh Uranium, and then somebody got the great idea to convert the old rods into anti-tank ammo (FYI there ain't no such thing as "Depleted" Uranium, it just won't sustain a controlled reaction). If we did reprocess the rods (and take back the DP ammo) we could supply all the electrical power for the US (assuming again we built enough reactors) for 1000 years (and that includes the increases due to expanding population etc.).

One last bit of trivia, I was going to be in "Who killed the Electric Car" but they didn't like my agent, so they cut my appearance, as the security officer keeping them out of ATV.
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Re: A TV documentary on "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2010, 12:50:20 AM »
We need some sort of repository for spent fuel.

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