Police act swiftly after (LEGAL) gun purchases

[Hazcat]

Sorry!  IF he had said "I'm gonna kill every one" or some such direct threat then arrest him.

Y'all are startin to sound like gun grabbers!  "I don't like guns so I am willing to give up my right and you have to as well".  I will NOT give up my 4th amendment right so every one else can feel safe!

If there were direct threats then arrest him.  If not I have no problem with keeping an eye on him BUT just cause he buys guns is NO REASON for 'protective custody'. Hell, a lot of us on here have said things that MIGHT warrant observation....so should I be taken into 'protective custody' next time I buy a gun?

I stand for the whole BOR not just the Second.

[crusader rabbit]

I'd have to side with Haz on this.  Not that I DON'T believe Haz should be in protective custody (only for his own good, you understand) but NOT because he decides to buy one or two or a dozen guns).  Before you take someone into custody you need to have some sort of probable cause.  And in this case, you'd have to use some kind of Jedi Mind Trick to know intent.  If the Oregon DOT dude had not threatened verbally, in a written document, or on the Internet, then where is the cause for action?  The cause in this case MUST be only that he purchased guns--a perfectly legal thing to do, even in the state of Oregon.  How many of us have bought more than one gun in a 24-hour period?  It happens when you find particularly good deals, or decide to go in a particular direction, or when you get your tax return. Sometimes it happens because you just want to.  But it happens.

This police action is a huge warning to us all that the BoR is in serious jeopardy.  If and when it comes that we are in individual jeopardy when we have performed a Constitutionally lawful action, then we must stand together to maintain those rights, or we can fully expect to lose them forever.

I continue to weep for my nation.

Thoughtfully submitted,
Crusader

[JC5123]

I'd have to side with Haz on this.  Not that I DON'T believe Haz should be in protective custody (only for his own good, you understand) but NOT because he decides to buy one or two or a dozen guns).  Before you take someone into custody you need to have some sort of probable cause.  And in this case, you'd have to use some kind of Jedi Mind Trick to know intent.  If the Oregon DOT dude had not threatened verbally, in a written document, or on the Internet, then where is the cause for action?  The cause in this case MUST be only that he purchased guns--a perfectly legal thing to do, even in the state of Oregon.  How many of us have bought more than one gun in a 24-hour period?  It happens when you find particularly good deals, or decide to go in a particular direction, or when you get your tax return. Sometimes it happens because you just want to.  But it happens.

This police action is a huge warning to us all that the BoR is in serious jeopardy.  If and when it comes that we are in individual jeopardy when we have performed a Constitutionally lawful action, then we must stand together to maintain those rights, or we can fully expect to lose them forever.

I continue to weep for my nation.

Thoughtfully submitted,
Crusader

That wasn't enough to put Hassan into "protective custody" and he was spewing radical islamist hatred. Then he opened fire on Ft. Hood. Where was the proactive approach on THAT one.

[saltydogbk]

Maybe I've just been a bad mood for the couple of weeks, but I 100% AGREE WITH HAZ.  It is starting to sound like the Brady Bunch here.  I MAY take my car and go have a drink, so arrest me NOW.  I may piss on the side of the road, so arrest me NOW.  Come on guys, what happened to freedom?  A national ID card is on the horizon.  Doesn't any of the stuff that is going on make anybody but me nervous?  I really think we are frogs in a pot of water and its starting to get a little warm.

[shooter32]

I stand for the whole BOR not just the Second.

Nuff said!!

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[Pathfinder]

We also don't know the eniter story.

For all we know the guy could have said he was going to get a gun and come back to work and kill every single person there.  He also could have done things that would make one wonder about his mental state.

Until we get all the facts, lets not pass judgement.  This guy could be loony toons.

I disagree. When was the last time you ever recall the cops not saying something like this that would totally justify their heavy-handed approach in this case?

He may well be a "loony toons". Or he may not be and will just be portrayed that way, ala the Stalinist gulags.

[Pathfinder]

OK, I had to get up at 4 this AM to go help cook for the men's breakfast, so I went to bed early last night, and this whole thread goes to hell in a hand basket!  

I agree with Haz - this whole thing just stinks of police over-reaction.

On another forum, someone posted a thread called "Screw Oregon!", basically relating that the ex-kalifornicators have moved in and total destroyed a beautiful state with a lot of good people. The immigrants have twisted the laws to be anti-corporate on some levels, while enhancing the state's authorities and powers over personal lives.

I'm going with the citizen on this one unless and until there is some real evidence - not the made up crap by the gummint - to say otherwise.

[crusader rabbit]

And UNTIL he is judged to be loony-tunes, he shouldn't have his rights trampled upon.  It was noted above, but us frogs are sitting in rapidly warming water. 

[Hazcat]

Also, WHO tipped the LEO off about the gun purchases??  When yer 'being observed' do all yer purchases get reported to the local cops?

[WatchManUSA]

It's a no win situation, If they have reasonable (to us ) cause for concern, their choices are to either do nothing, in which case people might die, and they look like they weren't doing their job, on the other hand they can pick the guy up, which makes them look like "Stalinist" thugs, no one gets hurt and they never have to say "We Told you so".

I was looking for the smiley face on your post but didn't find one.  I really find it hard to believe this is you.  Quick, contact Marshal, tell him someone stole Tom's identity! 

Seriously, since when does the government have the constitutional authority to take preemptive action in this situation given the facts presented?

As TAB, says we probably don't have the entire story.  That being said we do have the facts provided in the story.  The key for me from the article is this:

After a phone conversation with negotiators, the man — who was alone in the home — agreed to come out, Hansen said.

Police seized the recently purchased firearms, as well as another .45-caliber Heckler & Koch handgun and a 12-gauge shotgun. Police are holding the weapons for safekeeping, but no criminal charges have been filed.

THEY SEIZED ALL HIS GUNS!  THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHARGES!  WTF!!!!!

NEXT THEY MAY COME FOR YOU!!!!