Get ready for a National Sales Tax

[fightingquaker13]

Food? Clothes, school supplies? All things you say we should tax to create a backlash against the dems. BTW, in case you haven't noticed, there are a lot of folks who would love to work, its that jobs are scace now. Look, I admire the goal, which is to kill this thing. What I don't admire is your methodology. As Christians, we don't take civilians as hostages to further a political agenda. That is exactly what you proposed in your post. You basically said to make the needy suffer in order to turn them against the dems. I don't disaree with the goal of small government, but as a Christian, I really don't think the plain text of Scripture (in whatever version you prefer) will back up your means, however hard you try to proof text the issue.
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[tt11758]

If the slugs put a sales tax out the conservatives need to think long term and force it heavily on food, medicine and other necessities...stay with me here.  The people who support the looney left need to suffer or this is all good as far as they are concerned. 

So what, the Repubs lose a few offices....it's the war of minds that needs to be won over time not a single election.  Strategic planning is needed and the corrupt liberal socialist plans need to be seeded with pain for the masses....the masses who will not work or contribute need to be most uncomfortable in the largess that is given them without their appreciation or thanks. 

The problem here is that you give the "slugs" another majority, which allows them to remove the "unjust" taxes that the evil republicans put on "the shoulders of the poor", thereby giving them even more rabid support from the bottom dwellers and forcing the republican party into irrelevance.

[Pathfinder]

If the slugs put a sales tax out the conservatives need to think long term and force it heavily on food, medicine and other necessities...stay with me here.  The people who support the looney left need to suffer or this is all good as far as they are concerned. 

Not sure it would work, Rastus. A goodly number of the Dem supporters don't have jobs, so this will not affect them as they will get everything on the dole.

As for the wealthier Dems, well, they'll just have the smug satisfaction that they "are doing good" with their taxes.

[Pathfinder]

Ahh Rastus, ever the good Christian. Sacrifice the poor in the interest of political expediency. Your piety and morality continue to amaze me.
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PS Its spelled GOD, not GOP
PPS Rastus read, don't just thump, your Bible. I would highly reccomend the book of Amos. Spoken in truth and with love brother.

Christians are taught to seek peace, not capitulate to criminals.

And since Jesus overturned the demands of the Law while fulfilling their prophesies, why are you quoting Amos instead of something from the New Testament?

[fightingquaker13]

Christians are taught to seek peace, not capitulate to criminals.

And since Jesus overturned the demands of the Law while fulfilling their prophesies, why are you quoting Amos instead of something from the New Testament?

For the same reason I thnk the Ten Commandments are still a good idea.
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[fullautovalmet76]

For the same reason I thnk the Ten Commandments are still a good idea.
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Agreed. Do you think what's written in Leviticus and Deuteronomy still relevant today?

[TAB]

A VAT will fook the poor and middle class.

[fightingquaker13]

Agreed. Do you think what's written in Leviticus and Deuteronomy still relevant today?

Not all of it, and here's why. Some are mere cermonial laws (no wearing clothes of blended fabrics, women "cleansing" themselves after a period etc), some were based on practical matters, like not eating shell fish pre-refrigeration and some just made sense at the time when laying down the law (litterally) for a tough and poor people living in a cold hard world. When interpreting scripture, its key to remember that God was talking to a particular people, in a particular time and place for a particular reason. Our moral responsibility (IMHO) is to try to figure what parts of that apply to the here and now and how they do so. If you don't accept this responsibilty, you become like a fundamentalist muslim who wants to impose Sharia. It probably made sense in Arabia 1400 years ago, not so much today.  God may not change but human society does. We have to figure out how what He said 2,000 plus years ago can be applied today.
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[WatchManUSA]

Bring on sales tax!  I would love it ... If of course they Replaced rather than supplemented other taxes.

Income tax isn't bad if it fairly applied to all citizens.  It is based on your income and ability to pay.  Sales tax is the same.  The tax we need to eliminate is property tax.  There is no tie to ability to pay and the taxation.  If I go buy $5,000 worth of materials, and use my spare time and talent over the next 10 weekends to add to and improve my home my valuation goes up by $20,000, and I take a 25% annual property tax hike 

These clowns in power now will raise income taxes by letting Bush tax cuts expire.  Then they will add this VAT on top of the existing tax.  It is the only way to slow the increasing debt.  Notice I said slow.  They will keep on spending and spending and spending and...

[Rastus]

The problem here is that you give the "slugs" another majority, which allows them to remove the "unjust" taxes that the evil republicans put on "the shoulders of the poor", thereby giving them even more rabid support from the bottom dwellers and forcing the republican party into irrelevance.

For Republican relevency two things.  First demographics unchecked as they are with criminals streaming in from the south is working pretty well for the Dems to increase their power base rapidly to overcome conservatives...and Reagan fell into the trap to reward them with citizenship instead of punishing the employers.  Secondly, with Republicans becoming liberal all on their own and not standing for conservative values makes them decidedly less relevant by rot from within.  So long as the majority that now elects liberals has none of the pain of paying taxes en masse, there is no pain.  Everybody should pay something.

A national sales tax would ensure those who now pay nothing will get the opportunity to pay something.  It's not just the unjustifiable welfare state, it's the people who work for cash who pay nothing.  Tab should be familiar with competing with those guys.  You have groups now who are insulated from taxation, or at least think they are.

For instance, in general renters love to see property taxes raised as demonstrated by their willingness nationwide to vote for such things.  They pay rent not taxes in their minds...fallacy being they don't write the property tax check on their rental.

I grew up in a state that had, at the time, sales taxes and very little income tax and practically no property tax.  People grumbled mightily when politicians wanted to spend because they were reminded with their sales taxes.  As income taxes were increased the group clamoring for hand outs grew and grew and grew.  Urban areas had the right to increase property taxes in their parish...and as the handout increased so increased the property taxes.

Newt & the Congress missed a golden opportunity, in my opinion, to help "bring people" into the fold from a tax misery standpoint.  Laws that would require individuals to make their own FICA, SS & medicaid payments would have been a wonderful vehicle for people everywhere to feel what they are losing.  Every tax the "employer paid" should have been given as income so that the taxpayer would not be so removed from the actual pain.  The employer paid tax (not collected tax distribution to the government) institution nationally in the 60's was hailed as a great way to get into people's pockets without them actually realizing it.