Fuddruckers does NOT like Open Carry

[ericire12]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1026431

I sent this to Corporate:


Comments: Please tell me you didn't just make a rule that people
carrying guns aren't welcome in your restaurants. When I'm stateside I
LOVE to go out for Fudruckers, but I can't support a company that would
make rules discriminating against people who aren't doing anything
wrong. I hope what I heard is incorrect. If so, please disregard this
message. If you do have such a rule, it will cost you my business and
that of my family.

Thanks for your attention,

Hal

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They Replied:


Hello Hal,

Please accept my apologies for the delayed response. Thank you very much
for your feedback and we are glad to know that you enjoyed Fuddruckers!

Regarding the open carry laws, Fuddruckers decision not to allow guns in
the restaurants is not a statement about gun rights or laws. It is
however, a statement about the primary importance of creating and
maintaining a comfortable environment for all of Fuddruckers guests.

Open carry laws are changing in various states. Therefore, restaurants
are more clearly communicating their policies to guests. Fuddruckers
has had a no weapons policy for several years but it wasn't being
enforced in all locations. By enforcing its no-weapons policy,
Fuddruckers is enforcing its rights as a private business to create the
sort of dining environment we believe best suits and appeals to all or
the majority of our guests.

On behalf of Fuddruckers, Inc., we sincerely appreciate you time and
feedback. We are truly sorry to hear that you will no longer visit
Fuddruckers.

Adriana Thompson
Guest Services Specialist

Fuddruckers-The World's Greatest Hamburger
Koo Koo Roo Chicken Bistro-Live. Laugh. Cluck!
5700 Mopac Expy South; Ste C300
Austin, TX 78749
www.fuddruckers.com
www.kookooroo.com

See also:
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=12160.0

[PegLeg45]

Never set foot in one....so this'un'll be easy.

[TAB]

honestly, if I was a resterant onwer/manger  I would not want people OCing. 


For one there is a huge liabilty risk.  two, you will piss off more people by allowing OC then you will by forbidding it.

[ericire12]

honestly, if I was a resterant onwer/manger  I would not want people OCing. 


For one there is a huge liabilty risk.  two, you will piss off more people by allowing OC then you will by forbidding it.

Your second statement is possibly true... Your first statement we have squashed on many many other threads. Take your fingers out of your ears and listen to what others are saying, TAB.

There is no liability for the business owner. Its the same as if someone had a car accident in a mall parking lot. Does the mall have any liability because they own the property? No. Should businesses also not allow cars on their property? Statistically, it is a far greater risk then guns.

[TAB]

Your second statement is possibly true... Your first statement we have squashed on many many other threads. Take your fingers out of your ears and listen to what others are saying, TAB.

There is no liability for the business owner. Its the same as if someone had a car accident in a mall parking lot. Does the mall have any liability because they own the property? No. Should businesses also not allow cars on their property? Statistically, it is a far greater risk then guns.

so if you have a ND and injure one of my staff, It won't be a claim to my workmens comp, and I won't have to deal with OSHA?

Federal law states if they spend more then 24 hours at the docs, OSHA does a full inspection.  it does not matter if its a paper cut and the guy spends 24 hours in the waiting room or a massive accident that sends several people to the ICU for days/weeks. 

Like it or not my if he is on the clock, workmens comp covers it, atleast up front.  Just like Car insurance if you have a claim, rather your at fualt or not, your policy goes up.   now the comp company will go after the guy, but how many people do you know that have say 1 mil just laying around that they could pay for a ND?   what about 100k?  100k is not alot for a medical bill. 

actually, you might be liable if some one has a wreck in your parking lot.  That has more to do with you not doing something you should have.

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[Solus]

so if you have a ND and injure one of my staff, It won't be a claim to my workmens comp, and I won't have to deal with OSHA?

Federal law states if they spend more then 24 hours at the docs, OSHA does a full inspection.  it does not matter if its a paper cut and the guy spends 24 hours in the waiting room or a massive accident that sends several people to the ICU for days/weeks.  

Like it or not my if he is on the clock, workmens comp covers it, atleast up front.  Just like Car insurance if you have a claim, rather your at fualt or not, your policy goes up.   now the comp company will go after the guy, but how many people do you know that have say 1 mil just laying around that they could pay for a ND?   what about 100k?  100k is not alot for a medical bill.  

actually, you might be liable if some one has a wreck in your parking lot.  That has more to do with you not doing something you should have.

A customer would more likely poke an employee in the eye with an umbrella, trip them up with a cane, stumble into them and knock them over, or spill hot coffee on them.

Seems like the safest thing for you to do would be to simply ban customers from your business and be done with all that risk.

[ericire12]

so if you have a ND and injure one of my staff, It won't be a claim to my workmens comp, and I won't have to deal with OSHA?

Federal law states if they spend more then 24 hours at the docs, OSHA does a full inspection.  it does not matter if its a paper cut and the guy spends 24 hours in the waiting room or a massive accident that sends several people to the ICU for days/weeks.  

Like it or not my if he is on the clock, workmens comp covers it, atleast up front.  Just like Car insurance if you have a claim, rather your at fualt or not, your policy goes up.   now the comp company will go after the guy, but how many people do you know that have say 1 mil just laying around that they could pay for a ND?   what about 100k?  100k is not alot for a medical bill.  

actually, you might be liable if some one has a wreck in your parking lot.  That has more to do with you not doing something you should have.

Just like with cars, the liability falls on the driver/guy carrying the gun. So, should you the "boss" not allow cars on the property of "your business" so that you can elliminate a variable and lessen the likelyhood of workers comp?  If someone had a ND and you had to pay workers comp, then the guy who had the ND would also be on the hook for damages to cover your workers comp expenses. Once again you are not seeing the forest for the trees.

[ericire12]

Seems like the safest thing for you to do would be to simply ban customers and your employees from your business and be done with all that risk.

Topped off the mag for ya! 

[TAB]

those type of things are unavoidable.  where as you can avoid having some one OCing.

Lets replacing OC with something else.  Lets say dogs, its ok for a biz owner to not let a dog( seeing eye dogs have to be, but thats another story), the reason, liabilty/hassle.  

Lets replace dog, with political signs.  its ok to ban those(1a rights) from your property, why not other objects?

[ericire12]

those type of things are unavoidable.  where as you can avoid having some one OCing.

Lets replacing OC with something else.  Lets say dogs, its ok for a biz owner to not let a dog( seeing eye dogs have to be, but thats another story), the reason, liabilty/hassle.   

Lets replace dog, with political signs.  its ok to ban those(1a rights) from your property, why not other objects?

Thats laughable, TAB. Those are two really bad arguments.

 *Are you telling me that if a pittbull bites me at PetSmart that I can sue PetsMart? What if a seeing eye dog bites me at another business  

**The deal with political signs has already been hashed out in the courts.