Open letter to Ted Nugent - I’ll join the NRA when . . .

[tombogan03884]

Tom, TW and Blackwolf
You are saying that if BO orders his underlings to violate the law and constitution to suit his FP, or DP objectives its OK? Or is it only conservatives who get that priviledge? I'll go ahead and use the H word. Smells like Hypocrisy around here. No BS Tom, all the kings horses? Or are we a republic of laws? Make the call. We can't have one rule for Presidents we like and one for Presidents we don't, or its welcome to the 3rd world.
FQ13 who will stand his ground on this one. The law, without fear or favor. KMA if you don't like it.

No wonder you suck at history. Your reading comprehension is nonexistent.

You are saying that if BO orders his underlings to violate the law and constitution to suit his FP, or DP objectives its OK


I never mentioned Nixon or Reagan, they caught hell for trying to cheat the system.
I  was commending underling who showed loyalty to leaders they believed in..

[fightingquaker13]

No wonder you suck at history. Your reading comprehension is nonexistent.

You are saying that if BO orders his underlings to violate the law and constitution to suit his FP, or DP objectives its OK


I never mentioned Nixon or Reagan, they caught hell for trying to cheat the system.
I  was commending underling who showed loyalty to leaders they believed in..

Like Himmler or Roehm? Look, Tom, no BS and zero snark. We are a Constitutional Republic. We don't take an oath to a president, a party or even a flag. We take one to a constitution. You either keep it or you don't. You may find virtue in someone's loyalty to a superior who violates it. Me, I see a traitor. You keep your oath, resign your position, or are condemned.Period, full stop.
FQ13 who again isn't backing down on this one.

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I just spent a little time perusing the website for that organization, and they are saying basically the same things we're ALL saying on this forum.  THe time I spent there makes me respect and admire the organization, and wonder if one must be a jew to join, or if they'd take a good little* catholic boy like me.







* - No  fat jokes this time, Mikey.   

if you want a real shocker, google the pink pistols.

[Pathfinder]

Tom, TW and Blackwolf
You are saying that if BO orders his underlings to violate the law and constitution to suit his FP, or DP objectives its OK? Or is it only conservatives who get that priviledge? I'll go ahead and use the H word. Smells like Hypocrisy around here. No BS Tom, all the kings horses? Or are we a republic of laws? Make the call. We can't have one rule for Presidents we like and one for Presidents we don't, or its welcome to the 3rd world.
FQ13 who will stand his ground on this one. The law, without fear or favor. KMA if you don't like it.

These comments are indicative of the classic ethical discussion writ stupid.

The ethical question is posed: you have a chance to murder Adolf Hitler in 1933 and get away from Germany scot-free - with full knowledge of what would transpire if you did not - with murder being not only against the law as well as a prohibition expressed in the Bible. Would you pull the trigger?

Me? I would drop the hammer in a heartbeat, sleep well that night, and figure God and I would someday have some interesting conversations about the act.

Slavish devotion to the law is a dangerous mindset, FQ. Yes, we are a nation built on the law rather than the whims of man. So was Germany in 1931. Everything Adolf did was "legal", as were the actions of Josef and Mao. Sometimes, when the law has been perverted, or when there is a greater good, a higher calling is required.

[fightingquaker13]

These comments are indicative of the classic ethical discussion writ stupid.

The ethical question is posed: you have a chance to murder Adolf Hitler in 1933 and get away from Germany scot-free - with full knowledge of what would transpire if you did not -

And here Path, you render your whole argument moot. We don't have fore knowledge or get to go back in time with hindsight. We also don't get "Get out of jail free cards" and instead have to make hard choice that involve not just ourselves, but our families, our causes, etc. Thus you are setting up a straw man. Try again.
FQ13

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[Pathfinder]

And here Path, you render your whole argument moot. We don't have fore knowledge or get to go back in time with hindsight. We also don't get "Get out of jail free cards" and instead have to make hard choice that involve not just ourselves, but our families, our causes, etc. Thus you are setting up a straw man. Try again.
FQ13

Fail!

The argument is hardly moot. If you knew history instead of just teaching it, you would understand Santayana's admonition. It is that we do have foreknowledge, not of specific details of course, but of what happens when you let tyrants loose. Sometimes, the extra-legality actions are all that stand between us and tyrannical actions against us. That is the point of the Hitler ethics quiz, and it is a particularly telling point that you do not get it, instead preferring to wallow in the warm fuzzy academic emotionalism so prevalent on today's campuses.

And next time trying including facts instead of opinions passing as . . . opinions.

[Solus]

There was an episode of Magnum PI...so I was a fan..wanna make something of it?   

It this episode, Magnum's pal, the helicopter pilot and buddy from the war and prison camp, had been "brainwashed" by a Communist agent while in the prison camp. 

Acting on a post hypnotic suggestion, the buddy was going to use a helicopter to kill some folks but was stopped, of course, by Magnum.

Well, Magnum tracked down the villain out in the bush and had the drop on him.  The BG said  "If you take me in, I will go free because there is no evidence and I will be able to activate  others like your friend. You cannot kill me in cold blood.  It is against your laws and morals.  So I win."

The closing scene was of the muzzle of Magnum's 1911 aimed at the guy...and then a boom and muzzle flash. 

It wasn't the legal thing to do, but, for me, it was the moral thing to do.

[fightingquaker13]

There was an episode of Magnum PI...so I was a fan..wanna make something of it?   

It this episode, Magnum's pal, the helicopter pilot and buddy from the war and prison camp, had been "brainwashed" by a Communist agent while in the prison camp. 

Acting on a post hypnotic suggestion, the buddy was going to use a helicopter to kill some folks but was stopped, of course, by Magnum.

Well, Magnum tracked down the villain out in the bush and had the drop on him.  The BG said  "If you take me in, I will go free because there is no evidence and I will be able to activate  others like your friend. You cannot kill me in cold blood.  It is against your laws and morals.  So I win."

The closing scene was of the muzzle of Magnum's 1911 aimed at the guy...and then a boom and muzzle flash. 

It wasn't the legal thing to do, but, for me, it was the moral thing to do.

Agreed. I remember that episode and would have done the same. BUT, Magnum (I can't believe we're having this conversation, but it beats the hell out of using Star Trek examples. At least we've both had a girlfriend. ), was going to have to worry about jail for the rest of his life, unlike Path's "get a free shot at Hitler" example. Plus the fact is Magnum wasn't a serving officer. What a private citizen can/should do and what someone who is oathbound to the Constitution should do are two seperate things. This seems pretty simple to me.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

Agreed. I remember that episode and would have done the same. BUT, Magnum (I can't believe we're having this conversation, but it beats the hell out of using Star Trek examples. At least we've both had a girlfriend. ), was going to have to worry about jail for the rest of his life, unlike Path's "get a free shot at Hitler" example. Plus the fact is Magnum wasn't a serving officer. What a private citizen can/should do and what someone who is oathbound to the Constitution should do are two seperate things. This seems pretty simple to me.
FQ13

As do You FQ .

[fightingquaker13]

As do You FQ .

Cute. Tell me where I'm wrong though. Do you want someone with a badge (a licence to kill) making these sorts of calls, or obeying the laws that protect us from the state?
FQ13