m16 vs ak 47

[Timothy]

Solus, Thank you, but THAT lesson is for the Justice Dept.
It is important to draw clear lines between assassinating Heads of State and other foreigners who irk you, (Kim Dong Ill, Hugo Chavez, Amadinawhateverthehell that A hole in Iran ) which falls under "Foreign Policy".
and imposing legal penalties on violent or egregious offenders, In fact I may change the Dept.'s name to "Animal Control".

                                                              

I can retrain my Yorky from "ratter" to "rat bastard" control!

[Big Frank]

Most of the troops would be better served by an M16 instead of an M4. Give them the right weapons. DUH. It's that simple.

[fightingquaker13]

Most of the troops would be better served by an M16 instead of an M4. Give them the right weapons. DUH. It's that simple.

Is this true? Honestly, I've seen this debated endlessly. But is that extra 4" buying you much inside of 300 yards which is what both weapons were designed for?  Moving to an AR-10 would be game changer, for good or ill (heavier load outs and fewer rounds) vs more ummph. Likewise the 6.8mm as a compromise. I'm just not convinced that with using an optic (which should be standard) the extra 4" is that big of a deal for the average grunt.
FQ13 who could be very wrong here

[twyacht]

Ammunition production will quadruple under a T&T Admin.

Plenty to go round. Kinda like that Switzerland post, only in the true American Spirit, with a raffle for a Barret 50BMG!

 

[tombogan03884]

Ammunition production will quadruple under a T&T Admin.

Plenty to go round. Kinda like that Switzerland post, only in the true American Spirit, with a raffle for a Barret 50BMG!

 

I think they are nearly maxed out now, but we can implement a building program of factories.   

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[seeker_two]

If we'd adopted the FAL along with the rest of NATO, we wouldn't NEED to have this discussion.... 

[fightingquaker13]

I think they are nearly maxed out now, but we can implement a building program of factories.   

Rebuild the Civilian Marksmanship Program. If there is ever (God help us) a Quaker administration, it would be a priority. A modernized scouting program, HS school shooting teams, Old School (apolitical) NRA style ranges, government subsidized shooting sports, etc. All done in the name of national security against foriegn threats, military readiness and to prevent domestic tyranny. A moison in every pot! Though I would prefer the old A2s converted to SA and handed out like the Garands and M1 carbines were. The Swiss have the right idea. For that matter so did TR.
FQ13

[twyacht]

As in the days of Auto Shop,...and other trades taught in schools in the past, perhaps GUNSMITHING and BALLISTICS,..... ARMORERS, and MACHINISTS, can make a resurgence.

Hell, I'd sign up.........

Civilian Marksmanship, ROTC, A REAL Homeland Security Initiative. Civil Defense Corps, Border Patrols, yes it can happen.

[tombogan03884]

FQ, in Afghanistan the problem is that so many engagements happen at over 300 yards. Sometimes WAY over. The full length rifle allows a good shooter to hit 500 yard bulls all day long.

[m25operator]

Coming back on thread, the M4/M16 is more accurate than the AK, for the grunt who is trained to be a rifleman, our adversaries are definitely not trained to that level, the extra barrel length is of minor consequence, extra 150fps, which is nice. Having shot both at advanced distance and at different targets, the 7.62x39 has better penetration in urban settings, bar none, than the 5.56, in open territory, I will take the accuracy of the 5.56 on a non armored target, in either rifle, it is lethal, but blows up easy on any  barrier. Inside of 200 yd the accuracy of the AK is really good and the penetration is excellent, lethality on targets not so much, but you can hit your target behind barriers better than the 5.56, and a hit is always better than a miss. I am a personal admirer of the M14, long distance capability, hard hitting, and a bitch to hump with ammo to boot, I like the idea of one per squad, with a designated marksmen to operate it, and maybe an ammo carrier to support it. If I am running in a urban setting, the M4 allows a better sighting system, aimpoints, optics etc... that allow better/faster sight alignment, the AK just the crude rear blade, front sight set up, that works and is strong, but might slow me down, compared to the M4 with optics, but if your a rifleman, won't slow you down, as you are use to not using a crutch, such as optics.  2 men, well trained on each system, as John Wayne said in Rio Bravo, I would would hate to live on the difference.