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Negligent Discharge can happen to anybody
« on: May 26, 2010, 09:32:43 AM »
Forces Afghan commander pleads guilty at court martial
By Juliet O'Neill, Canwest News Service May 25, 2010

 GATINEAU, Que. — Brig.-Gen. Daniel Menard, the commander of Canadian Forces in Afghanistan, was fined $3,500 after pleading guilty at a court martial Tuesday to neglect in handling his C8 rifle.

A fine of $3,500, proposed for sentencing by prosecution and defence lawyers in a joint submission, was accepted by judge Mario Dutil.

The charge of neglect causing prejudice to "good order and discipline" stemmed from a March 25th incident in which Menard's personal weapon discharged twice as he prepared to leave Kandahar airfield on a Blackhawk helicopter accompanied by chief of defence staff Gen. Walt Natynczyk.

A statement of circumstances said Menard's rifle was on automatic, rather than safe, when he was preparing to depart and court heard that it fired within range of ten personnel near two armoured vehicles.

Nobody was injured and Menard immediately asked for an investigation and told his troops about the incident — factors that should mitigate the sentence, prosecuting lawyer Lt-Col. Marylene Trudel told the court.

Defence lawyer Lt-Col. Troy Sweet said Menard was a highly decorated commander with an unblemished record during a exemplary military career and he had "accepted full responsibility" right away.

How many of our current (non-military) leadership would have taken responsibility for it?  How many would have tried to cover it up?  

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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2010, 01:50:38 PM »
A GENERAL was CARRYING A RIFLE :o  WOW. 
"Why are you carrying a pistol?  Expecting trouble?"

"No Maam.  If I was expecting trouble, I'd have a rifle."

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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2010, 02:12:15 PM »
Good for the General. Also good for the Army that made it a "teachable moment" in both safe gun-handling and honesty rather than crucifying him.
As far as a general carrying a rifle in Afghanistan? The only time I've admired Geraldo in, well ever, was in the early days of the war. He was being interviewed with another journalist back in the states. The moderator asked about the danger. The other correspondent replied it was doubly scary as you weren't armed. Geraldo's eybrows hit low earth orbit and said "Maybe you weren't packing, I bought a Tokarev five minutes in.". Good for Geraldo and the General. Danny Pearl? I think not.
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2010, 03:05:42 PM »
Note that he was a Canadian General.

I wondered at a general carrying a rifle also....but maybe the Canadian ones do differently.

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Re: Negligent Discharge can happen to anybody
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2010, 03:33:20 PM »
Note that he was a Canadian General.

I wondered at a general carrying a rifle also....but maybe the Canadian ones do differently.



Omar Bradley carried a rifle in WWII.

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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2010, 03:35:03 PM »
Omar Bradley carried a rifle in WWII.
Tanks are too heavy.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2010, 04:16:45 PM »
A GENERAL was CARRYING A RIFLE :o  WOW.  

Chesty had a PFC for that  ;D

In fact, Generals carry weapons for only 2 reasons. Personal protection, or Showmanship, Like Patton's magnums.
Their job is to observe and control the battle, not fight it.
Bradley most likely carried a rifle because in his heart he was "just another grunt doing his Duty".
Not as flashy as others but he was well worthy of every one of those stars.

Good for the General. Also good for the Army that made it a "teachable moment" in both safe gun-handling and honesty rather than crucifying him.
As far as a general carrying a rifle in Afghanistan? The only time I've admired Geraldo in, well ever, was in the early days of the war. He was being interviewed with another journalist back in the states. The moderator asked about the danger. The other correspondent replied it was doubly scary as you weren't armed. Geraldo's eybrows hit low earth orbit and said "Maybe you weren't packing, I bought a Tokarev five minutes in.". Good for Geraldo and the General. Danny Pearl? I think not.
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I agree with your first point. About Geraldo ? I've wondered about him since we invaded Iraq.
That little "Sand Table" demo He gave about our plans for Baghdad, was the same sort of thing that DID get another reporter fired.
Geraldo was pulled back to Kuwait .        ???
Reading histories after the battle I found that what he modeled was nothing like what was actually done    ???
No repercussions of any kind for Geraldo, He stays with the "Conservative" network , the Army has a much easier time in the City than they had any reason to expect.    ???  

And yes, Good for Geraldo, sometimes experience DOES show  ;D

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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2010, 04:27:18 PM »
Great teachable moment, and recognized as such by the General Officer.  Unintentional screw-ups can happen to the most well-intentioned people.  An example:  America elected Odamna.  sheesh... :'(

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2010, 05:47:26 PM »
Great teachable moment, and recognized as such by the General Officer.  Unintentional screw-ups can happen to the most well-intentioned people.  An example:  America elected Odamna.  sheesh... :'(

Submitted bu Crusader wh remains in a continual state of wonderment at the stupidity of so many of my fellow citizens :P

This might help explain it.
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=12740.0;topicseen

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Re: Negligent Discharge can happen to anybody
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2010, 08:17:52 PM »
Lost count already drinks that is.4 5 6 crash & burn in he!!.

 

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