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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2010, 12:24:51 PM »
If ya search WAAAAY back to around the time I signed up I started a thread on this asking MB to tackle this subject on Shooting Gallery (this was before he had TBD and such).

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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2010, 01:54:31 PM »
I looked, but apparently, there were too many cobwebs.  ;)

BTW, this is a good thread. Good to hear from others with like issues.


Thanks..It is something that has been on my mind for awhile now and I would like to see more interest in it.
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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2010, 09:04:52 PM »
I would say a .38. If you are having problems with mobility then you might have problems with large handguns. I tell a lot of people that I deal with that ask this same question to go to a .38. You could conceal it in a light jacket pocket and easily have your hand on it at all times without anyone the wiser. You can shoot though the jacket also, not a good idea with a auto. Carry the sword cane as a back up to your handgun.

If not you could carry a taser.  If you use it the company will replace it if you tase someone and leave and file a police report.
http://www.itaser.com/?__utma=1.740742051.1278381551.1278381551.1278381551.1&__utmb=1.3.10.1278381551&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1278381551.1.1.utmcsr=bing|utmccn=(organic)|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=taser&__utmv=-&__utmk=194829613

Pepper spray is another option. You can use it on multiple attackers and the effects last for long enough for you to escape.
http://www.pepper-spray-store.com/
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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2010, 10:57:18 AM »
Carrying a Less Than Lethal Weapon is a good idea since not every encounter would justify the use of a handgun...
My concern lies in those instances when a less than lethal device such as a Taser or Pepper Spray fail to incapacitate the Bad guy sufficently to make an escape possible...
Those who cannot escape or evade quickly due to being mobility challenged are then left to fend off a bad guy who is now going to be even angrier and more aggressive than they were in the beginning.

In my opinion...carrying a less than lethal weapon without a lethal back up is ill advised...
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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2010, 11:08:13 AM »
Carrying a Less Than Lethal Weapon is a good idea since not every encounter would justify the use of a handgun...
My concern lies in those instances when a less than lethal device such as a Taser or Pepper Spray fail to incapacitate the Bad guy sufficently to make an escape possible...
Those who cannot escape or evace quickly due to being mobility challenged are then left to fend off a bad guy who is probably going to then be even angrier and more aggresive than they were in the beginning.

In my opinion...carrying a less than lethal weapon without a lethal back up is ill advised...
Amen! I went to Gander a few weeks ago. They had a demmo for Tasers done by a guy who could have been  Arnie's clone in "Terminator'. I asked him, "What happens when the shock wears  off and he wants to pull it out of my mouth the long way". "Mumble, mumble". Sorry. If you are justified in pulling the trigger, pull the damn trigger. We aren't cops. We have a moral (if not legal) duty to retreat. If that doesn't work, its on you, IMHO. I won't won't start it. I will sacrifice pride to avoid it, but if you make that impossible, its not my problem.
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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2010, 11:28:01 AM »
Amen! I went to Gander a few weeks ago. They had a demmo for Tasers done by a guy who could have been  Arnie's clone in "Terminator'. I asked him, "What happens when the shock wears  off and he wants to pull it out of my mouth the long way". "Mumble, mumble". Sorry. If you are justified in pulling the trigger, pull the damn trigger. We aren't cops. We have a moral (if not legal) duty to retreat. If that doesn't work, its on you, IMHO. I won't won't start it. I will sacrifice pride to avoid it, but if you make that impossible, its not my problem.
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FQ I think the point of this tread is for people with physical limitations i.e. they can't retreat like a normal person. I think a Taser or pepper spray are a good idea the delay might give you enough time retreat and if they come after you then you would be perfectly justified in shooting them with a real gun!
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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2010, 12:19:56 PM »
FQ I think the point of this tread is for people with physical limitations i.e. they can't retreat like a normal person. I think a Taser or pepper spray are a good idea the delay might give you enough time retreat and if they come after you then you would be perfectly justified in shooting them with a real gun!
And this is why I disagree with you (slightly), see my posts on the "tactical considerations" thread. If you CAN retreat, you should. If you can't, well, the BG upped the ante. Me, a spry 40, I can taze and run. Peg can't. For him, shoot the bastard and be be done with it.
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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2010, 01:40:40 PM »
And this is why I disagree with you (slightly), see my posts on the "tactical considerations" thread. If you CAN retreat, you should. If you can't, well, the BG upped the ante. Me, a spry 40, I can taze and run. Peg can't. For him, shoot the bastard and be be done with it.FQ13

Problem is that the Law doesn't really differenciate between able bodied and not...A Jury on the other hand would.

FQ's statement is precisely what my thread here is about.  When you can't run...what other options can you bring into the confrontation...?
 Communication?
 Less Than Lethal Options..Taser/Pepper Spray/Baton?
Edged Weapons, Firearms?



Castle Doctrine in my home state now does not require me to retreat when inside my own home or even in my vehicle as it is considered an extension of my residence.  Personally I believe that if the BG has escalated the confrontation to the level that I feel my life or the life of one of my family is at risk...Any Less Than Lethal option is only further jeopardizing me and mine.
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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2010, 02:01:41 PM »
Castle Doctrine in my home state now does not require me to retreat when inside my own home or even in my vehicle as it is considered an extension of my residence.  Personally I believe that if the BG has escalated the confrontation to the level that I feel my life or the life of one of my family is at risk...Any Less Than Lethal option is only further jeopardizing me and mine.

Good point, Rat.

SD all begins with mental/psychological preparedness. One must have the proper mindset regarding what they are willing to do. If not prepared to do what may be necessary at the onset, much of the other SD issues are rendered moot. To paraphrase someone else, one must be prepared to kill everyone you come into contact with at any given time. I pray (every day when I don my holster and gun) that I never have to draw my SD weapon with the need to use it, but I also pray that if I do, I can act swiftly and justly. Not wanting to kill and being prepared to kill are two different things. The last thing I want to do is take another human life, but that particular want is trumped by also not wanting to bury any of my family either.

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