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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2010, 08:52:52 PM »
That all depends on where you are. In Washington we don't have the castle doctrine yet. Our laws aren't bad, but not as good as say Florida my home state. If your in some place like Cali even if you have a permit you could very likely face charges. And I think you have to consider even if your in the right, a prosecutor that doesn't like CCW could still charge you. The average defense is around a 100K. So that's possibly could be a very expensive bullet! Just food for thought!! :-\
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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2010, 09:28:14 AM »
Dear rat31465:

I am very sorry to hear about your injury and the lasting effect that it will have on your mobility. At the same time, I am very encouraged at the helpful responses offered by all the forum members--great discussion.

Several folks brought up my DVD "Martial Cane Concepts" (thank you). I came up with that program of instruction after my wife had surgery on her foot and learned that she would always have limited mobility as well. Nursing her through healing phases that included a wheelchair, crutches, and now regular use of a cane gave me a very personal insight into the challenges faced by folks with limited mobility.

The cane technique that I learned in the martial arts (which goes back to my early training in the 1970’s) was based on Savate (basically the La Canne method, which is saber fencing with a stick) and Japanese jo-jitsu (short staff fighting). All of it required a significant degree of athleticism and was impractical for those with real disabilities.

Over the years, I’ve explored other cane systems, including the Korean systems and Canemasters. Unfortunately, I also found them to require too much physical strength and dexterity and, in many cases, to be illogical. For example, if an attacker throws a punch, you’ve got to be pretty damned talented and quick to raise your cane from the ground to deflect the punch. It makes more sense to parry with your free hand and then bring the cane into play.

Based on my frustration, I developed Martial Cane Concepts as a simple, easily learned method that works for most people with limited lower-body mobility who still have reasonable two-point balance when stationary and at least minimal upper-body strength. Thus far, the feedback I have received from those who have tried the system has been very positive.

As for sword canes, although I agree that they are very cool and have a small collection of them, they are not a good choice for real self-defense. They are illegal in most places and, even if they weren’t, don’t really offer a reliable, fight-stopping weapon. I would stick with a conventional cane.

I have trained a number of students with physical limitations. It’s true that in a seminar environment it’s difficult to stray too far from the “standard” methods to accommodate folks with disabilities, but I do take the time to do so. The more limiting your physical condition is, the more it makes sense to get one-on-one personalized training.

It’s important to bear in mind that the key to justifying the use of force in self-defense is your ability to articulate the fact that you were in fear for your life or in fear of grievous bodily injury. The more physical limitations you have, the fewer options you have. You will therefore have a lower “response threshold” to a threatening situation than a personal who is more physically able. In simple terms, “cheat sooner.”

It’s also very important that you honestly assess your real physical abilities. One gentleman who purchased my cane DVD complained that the techniques were “no good” because he could not maintain his balance, even while stationary, without keeping his cane on the ground. For his needs, no cane-based system would be appropriate. He is best served by pepper spray and a handgun that he can shoot well with one hand.

With that latter recommendation in mind, you should structure your personal defense strategy to include both less-lethal and lethal-force options and practice training to transition from one to the other. For example, in season 2 of The Best Defense I demonstrated an immediate response with a cane and a transition to a handgun. That replicates the response cycle you might actually have to employ and teaches you how to deal with things like the question of dropping your cane to shoot two handed or keeping it for balance while shooting one-handed.

I hope this helps. Good luck with your healing process and with choosing a sound personal defense strategy.

Stay safe,

Mike

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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2010, 10:08:40 AM »
Mr. Janich,
Thank you for your response and recommendations.  I hope to prove my Doctor wrong in his prognosis but am planning my preparedness plans for the future around this injury.

I have already began researching possible training options here in my area of Southwest Missouri and do intend to seek out both my CCW Permit as well as classes for hand fighting.

To be honest my intention in starting this thread wasn't so much for my own benefit as it was to bring the serious lack of options for those with disabilities to light and possibly identify some of the resources that are out there and available.

I saw the segement you spoke of in which you showed the use of a cane for a shoulder strike to stop the BG's punches and then the cane strike to the knee as a mobility kill...I believe that I have the mobility and ability to pull off such a manuvere...but as you stated there are many whom this would not be an option. 
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"It’s important to bear in mind that the key to justifying the use of force in self-defense is your ability to articulate the fact that you were in fear for your life or in fear of grievous bodily injury. The more physical limitations you have, the fewer options you have. You will therefore have a lower “response threshold” to a threatening situation than a personal who is more physically able. In simple terms, “cheat sooner.” Is very prophetic and I would like to hear more on this in future episodes if possible.

Again Thank You for your response. You and your colleges do the world a great service in bringing self defense issues to light.
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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2010, 10:14:07 AM »
I was struck by a car on Jan 2, 2005, and had two vertebra shattered. Ive got pieces of bone floating around every place. Im in constant pain and walk with a cane. Ive carried a gun for the past almost 20 years, so Im already tactically aware, but walking slow and carefully due to pain is a danger.

I found this guy on the internet named charles davis who sells a cane combatives DVD for seniors that Ive watched over and over and it did me a lot of good. I even bought one of his rattan crook top canes.

I had to use it once to dissuade a woman from attacking me a couple of years ago. She was angry with something Id written about her husband in the newspaper and was trying to shove me to the ground. Since she outweighed me by a good 150 lbs I knew I was in trouble if I hit the floor, so I hit her in the back of the knees, just like the DVD showed. It worked like a charm and she went down like a sack of wet dog crap. ;D

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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2010, 06:46:50 AM »
Mr. Keeney,
That is a hell of a thing...glad the cane manuver worked for you and I will check into the video you mentioned.
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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2010, 09:30:10 AM »
I too am physically disabled. Regarding your knee, I suggest you check with a good orthopedist about a knee brace that will give you full support in normal and twisting motions, yet keep your knee from buckling sideways. Mine is carbon with a hinge, fully submersible in fresh and saltwater, straps above and below the knee and has saved me from further injury several times.  I have MS and MD that affects my legs, arms, and upper body strength. Living in NY my options are limited. Pepper sprays, gels and tasers are quick to deploy and concealable.  Although I don't use a cane I have considered it modified with a steel tip for striking and jabbing. Use it after you have used the spray or taser  to further disable the attacker by breaking bones, internal damages from thrusts and then retreating. You cannot afford a full frontal attack or simply disabling the attacker. He must be put down and totally disabled beyond the ability to recover and pursue.

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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2010, 10:16:07 AM »
I too am physically disabled. Regarding your knee, I suggest you check with a good orthopedist about a knee brace that will give you full support in normal and twisting motions, yet keep your knee from buckling sideways. Mine is carbon with a hinge, fully submersible in fresh and saltwater, straps above and below the knee and has saved me from further injury several times.  I have MS and MD that affects my legs, arms, and upper body strength. Living in NY my options are limited. Pepper sprays, gels and tasers are quick to deploy and concealable.  Although I don't use a cane I have considered it modified with a steel tip for striking and jabbing. Use it after you have used the spray or taser  to further disable the attacker by breaking bones, internal damages from thrusts and then retreating. You cannot afford a full frontal attack or simply disabling the attacker. He must be put down and totally disabled beyond the ability to recover and pursue.

Hear Hear!!  That is true whether you're disabled or not!
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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2010, 11:01:46 AM »
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The last thing I want to do is take another human life

Actually, that's the NEXT to last thing I want to do.  Surrendering my own life, the lives of my family, or suffering serious injury is the LAST thing.

As most of you know, I too, have various physical conditions that complicate my physical SD abilities.  With two bone-on-bone kness that require the use of a cane about 90% of the time, mobility and the ability to flee are not in my SD capabilities.  And with only half a functioning heart, my ability to stand and fight is the next best thing to non-existant.

Inasmuch as I can neither flee or fight, my only remaining option, as I see it, once de-escalation has failed, is to use my cane to push the SOB away long enough to draw my sidearm. 

The bottom line for me is the same as it was when I was a cop.....no matter what else happens, I'm going home at the end of the day.

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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2010, 07:35:44 AM »
I too am physically disabled. Regarding your knee, I suggest you check with a good orthopedist about a knee brace that will give you full support in normal and twisting motions, yet keep your knee from buckling sideways. Mine is carbon with a hinge, fully submersible in fresh and saltwater, straps above and below the knee and has saved me from further injury several times.  I have MS and MD that affects my legs, arms, and upper body strength. Living in NY my options are limited. Pepper sprays, gels and tasers are quick to deploy and concealable.  Although I don't use a cane I have considered it modified with a steel tip for striking and jabbing. Use it after you have used the spray or taser  to further disable the attacker by breaking bones, internal damages from thrusts and then retreating. You cannot afford a full frontal attack or simply disabling the attacker. He must be put down and totally disabled beyond the ability to recover and pursue.

For whatever reason...I have been advised against the use of such a brace.   It is felt that in my case this would hinder my recovery and possibly make me permantley dependent upon the device.   On a good note though.   I am gaining strength back into my knee and have been able to do away with my cane for almost a month now.  I continue to excercise my knee daily and am finding my mobility getting better on daily basis.   I still have to be careful on stairs and when navigating rocky and uneven terrain...but I have a good start back to recovery now.
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Re: Tactical Considerations for those with Physical Limitations
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2010, 10:33:56 PM »
For whatever reason...I have been advised against the use of such a brace.   It is felt that in my case this would hinder my recovery and possibly make me permantley dependent upon the device.   On a good note though.   I am gaining strength back into my knee and have been able to do away with my cane for almost a month now.  I continue to excercise my knee daily and am finding my mobility getting better on daily basis.   I still have to be careful on stairs and when navigating rocky and uneven terrain...but I have a good start back to recovery now.

Good luck and best wishes for your continuing improvement, Rat.
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