If you ever thought you were safe in a grocery store, think again. Graphic Video

[Diplomat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQhUeuiGC_s

I don't need to tell you... Always be alert.

[DDMac]

Makes my .380 look pretty small. Evasion and surprise. This same grocery store scenario happened at the Rio Ranch Market in Chino, Cal. just last month (gun-free zone). Boyfriend-girlfriend deal.  Cops-1, Bad Guy-0, she lived.   

Anyplace a woman can recharge her independence (her own money) is a target for attack by the overly dominant partner..

If you have ever seen a loud domestic dispute in a public place, you have seen the prelude. Mac.

[pioneer]

Too bad the cops set up a perimeter outside while the shooting was still going on.  I won't second guess them cuz I wasn't there, but if only one officer had gone in to challenge the guy, perhaps lives could have been saved.  That was one of the lessons of Columbine, and police began "active shooter" thinking and training.  Before that the SOP was to set a perimeter to contain the situation and wait for SWAT. 

"When seconds count, the police are just minutes away."

[Diplomat]

Makes my .380 look pretty small. Evasion and surprise. This same grocery store scenario happened at the Rio Ranch Market in Chino, Cal. just last month (gun-free zone). Boyfriend-girlfriend deal.  Cops-1, Bad Guy-0, she lived.    

Anyplace a woman can recharge her independence (her own money) is a target for attack by the overly dominant partner..

If you have ever seen a loud domestic dispute in a public place, you have seen the prelude. Mac.

Is there video on that incident?

[Diplomat]

Too bad the cops set up a perimeter outside while the shooting was still going on.  I won't second guess them cuz I wasn't there, but if only one officer had gone in to challenge the guy, perhaps lives could have been saved.  That was one of the lessons of Columbine, and police began "active shooter" thinking and training.  Before that the SOP was to set a perimeter to contain the situation and wait for SWAT. 

"When seconds count, the police are just minutes away."

 You're right... Many departments have changed their active shooter policies since Columbine.

[Sponsor]

[DDMac]

No video. Just an Associated Press article dated Jan 6, 2008 found on my local TV web site. Mac.

[HAWKFISH]

Yeah that a perfect example of why we need concealed carry permits/laws. If the police can't protect you or even get to you in time.. one must be able to protect themselves. This is especially so if you are looking down the barrel of a 12 guage.

[Diplomat]

I wonder why the families of victims don't sue the attorney generals of the states that don't allow ccw. You can make the argument that if the victim had the option of carring they would and would have had a fighting chance.

I'm speaking in general... not just for this incident.

[jaybet]

I wonder why the families of victims don't sue the attorney generals of the states that don't allow ccw. You can make the argument that if the victim had the option of carring they would and would have had a fighting chance.

I'm speaking in general... not just for this incident.

Taking that a step further, I wonder why the NRA doesn't have a legal department that operates like the ACLU does for criminals etc....a legal department that goes to bat against restrictive laws for the unarmed, victimized citizen. I would think that would be a great area to exploit with a heavy PR campaign.

Going even further (into the land of OZ) why doesn't the ACLU stand up for the 2nd amendment rights of citizens?

[Hazcat]

Taking that a step further, I wonder why the NRA doesn't have a legal department that operates like the ACLU does for criminals etc....a legal department that goes to bat against restrictive laws for the unarmed, victimized citizen. I would think that would be a great area to exploit with a heavy PR campaign.

Going even further (into the land of OZ) why doesn't the ACLU stand up for the 2nd amendment rights of citizens?

That's the land of OZ for sure.  I believe that according to the ACLU there are only 9 amendments in the Bill of Rights.