It's Not Just The 9th Circuit Court, It's Also The 10th

[tombogan03884]

Circumsizing the size of a monument/tribute based on an individual States tribute to Highway Patrol Officers that have died in the line of duty, is B.S.

If I want to pay tribute to a fallen soldier, LEO, Veteran, freakin Elvis, who's to say,...."That's too big, it might offend someone"

Please. Our Grandfather's would have slapped us by now.

Hell with offending any one, I'm thinking of moving the parts into place
Seriously, I haven't seen any photo's, but it just seems more like a bill board than a thoughtful memorial.
I'm not arguing about the rightness of the memorial, I'm just leery of the actual design itself.

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[m25operator]

Tom I think you make a point, compared to a Johnny Walker Red Floozy, on a 50' billboard compared to a 12' high cross, here in Texas we have a 20' high likeness of Quannah Parker, I am not offended, it is meant to catch the eye of the people on the road driving by. And is Texas history, the actual story is much smaller, brass plaque, about 4' high with the story. Honoring our fallen is an honor, I see no offense in it, could it be smaller yes, could it be bigger, YES, like the Christ of the Ozarks in Arkansas.

[fightingquaker13]

Tw
It was our grandfathers that wrote the 1A, with the Establishment clause. It wasn't imposed on us. What part of this bothers you? Honestly this is one of these debates that leaves me mystified. The Christians shouldn't be offended that the government can't build religious monuments. The athists shouldn't be bothered that non-governmental officials want to say a prayer at a foot ball game or graduation. What part of accepting this deviates from simple good manners and commonsense?
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[twyacht]

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Hell with offending any one, I'm thinking of moving the parts into place
Seriously, I haven't seen any photo's, but it just seems more like a bill board than a thoughtful memorial.
I'm not arguing about the rightness of the memorial, I'm just leery of the actual design itself.

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Heard that Thomas Jefferson, despite his faults, used to attend mass ceremonies IN THE CAPITAL BLDG! Rode his horse, through fair and foul weather to attend.

For those that wish to return our country to it's original intention proposed by our Founders, this would seem a moot point. A states tribute(s) to fallen Troopers, offends no one.

"A nation which does not remember what it was yesterday does not know where it is today."
"In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength."
Robert E. Lee

"I will not cede more power to the state. I will not willingly cede more power to anyone, not to the state, not to General Motors, not to the CIO. I will hoard my power like a miser, resisting every effort to drain it away from me. I will then use my power, as I see fit. I mean to live my life an obedient man, but obedient to God, subservient to the wisdom of my ancestors; never to the authority of political truths arrived at yesterday at the voting booth."
William F. Buckley Jr.

[twyacht]

Tw
It was our grandfathers that wrote the 1A, with the Establishment clause. It wasn't imposed on us. What part of this bothers you? Honestly this is one of these debates that leaves me mystified. The Christians shouldn't be offended that the government can't build religious monuments. The athists shouldn't be bothered that non-governmental officials want to say a prayer at a foot ball game or graduation. What part of accepting this deviates from simple good manners and commonsense?
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The same manners that would not have a Shinto shrine built at the Pearl Harbor Memorial, the same manners that allowed a Nativity Scene on the Town Hall Steps, along with the Minora, and whatever else if they were so inclined.

Ya' know what? the towns I lived in didn't give a crap. Tribute is tribute, to the fallen, to our country, to God Almighty, so what? If it's not for you, so be it. I'm not imposing it on anyone. I'm remembering the fallen, saying a simple prayer for our country, and not thrusting anything on anybody.

This has become a problem?

Our Grandparents are telling us to stop the stupid sh**, focus on what being an American means, and quit freakin whining.

Get a job, even if you don't like it, suck it up, walk it off, and HTFU.

They are the greatest generation for a reason.

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[fightingquaker13]

The same manners that would not have a Shinto shrine built at the Pearl Harbor Memorial, the same manners that allowed a Nativity Scene on the Town Hall Steps, along with the Minora, and whatever else if they were so inclined.

Ya' know what? the towns I lived in didn't give a crap. Tribute is tribute, to the fallen, to our country, to God Almighty, so what? If it's not for you, so be it. I'm not imposing it on anyone. I'm remembering the fallen, saying a simple prayer for our country, and not thrusting anything on anybody.

This has become a problem?

Our Grandparents are telling us to stop the stupid sh**, focus on what being an American means, and quit freakin whining.

Get a job, even if you don't like it, suck it up, walk it off, and HTFU.

They are the greatest generation for a reason.

Here we agree. with this proviso. Never be ostentacious. A troopers cross, if a cross it shall be? The same size as every other, maybe just painted gold or blue. Its the twelve foot monster, bigger than the original, that I have issues with. Why? Because I don't think its about that dead trooper at all. I think its about sending a different message. So, let the sheep dogs lie among the sheep, noted by color or reasonable size, but don't make them a political issue, which is what is happening here on both sides. Its not right either way. We shouldn't even be debating this. Folks of good will in Utah should have settled it.
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[twyacht]

but don't make them a political issue, which is what is happening here on both sides. Its not right either way.

+1 FQ, somehow, when the nuances of our gov't, and other Code Pink, American Athiest, groups, in the minority get involved, it's time to say shut up, focus on a bigger issue, drive by, and move on.

Bigger things to worry about than big crosses on a highway.

How's that hope & change workin"

[fightingquaker13]

but don't make them a political issue, which is what is happening here on both sides. Its not right either way.

+1 FQ, somehow, when the nuances of our gov't, and other Code Pink, American Athiest, groups, in the minority get involved, it's time to say shut up, focus on a bigger issue, drive by, and move on.

Bigger things to worry about than big crosses on a highway.

How's that hope & change workin"

Lets take inventory shall we?
Economy FUBARED? check.
Underemployed? Check.
World still on fire? Check.
Diplomatic posture changed from a wannabe Reagan to a wannabe Carter? Check.
Do I still hope for a change? Check.
So, pretty much the usual. SNAFU. Is it 2012 yet? Please?
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[tombogan03884]

Jeez, I just questioned whether the design was in reasonably good taste , and I seem to have started WWIII.

FQ, you are wrong about the 1st A, it was never intended to stop school prayer, or boot the Nativity scene off the Town Common.
It was intended to keep the Catholic Church,out of Our Govt.

[fightingquaker13]

Jeez, I just questioned whether the design was in reasonably good taste , and I seem to have started WWIII.

FQ, you are wrong about the 1st A, it was never intended to stop school prayer, or boot the Nativity scene off the Town Common.
It was intended to keep the Catholic Church,out of Our Govt.

Actually, it was the Anglicans and the Congrationalists. Here's the really funny part of this whole absurd debate. The Baptists, champions of state endorsed religion now? They were oppressed by the Puritans (Congregationalists) in New England. So were the Quakers and the Catholics. The Anglicans tried to make the COE the official religion in the South. So I find it strange that 200 odd years later, the people my grand parents tried to oppress in the name of religion, name me apostate for stopping them from doing the same thing to others that my  ancestors did to theirs. Folks need to read their history.
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