My current carry setup: Glock 19 w/C-More STS Red Dot (3.5 MOA)

[tombogan03884]

To follow up on Para guy's post, Doesn't some one make a laser that replaces the guide rod on a Glock ? or is that only for 1911's ?
Right off the bat though I see an advantage in picking up the dot as it is already framed by the sight frame instead of just "on the attacker"

[Solus]

To follow up on Para guy's post, Doesn't some one make a laser that replaces the guide rod on a Glock ? or is that only for 1911's ?
Right off the bat though I see an advantage in picking up the dot as it is already framed by the sight frame instead of just "on the attacker"

LaserMax makes them for the Glock.  I have one on my 21SF and 23. Not only are they quick to acquire, you can be on target even if you cannot get the gun to eye level, like shooting across your body or other awkward positions.

[fullautovalmet76]

One: How much dinero?
Two: what kind of holster and carry set-up do you use? It seems more likely to get hung up than a pistol without the optic.
FQ13

The sight was $299 and the mount was $38; all totaled with shipping around $350. I use a regular Blade Tech holster attached to one of their Tek Lok mounts. I like how I can adjust the ride so that the heel of the butt of the gun is at the top of my belt. As for comfort I have no discomfort carrying it.

Also, since it is mounted on a Glock, I hope you will treat it like a Glock, when you toss it in the truck do it from 20 feet away. I'm really interested how it will hold up to out right abuse.

Tom,
I never treat any of my guns (including the AK) like that. I have dropped it before and it never hurt it but I don't have the wallet nor inclination to deliberately set out to see if I can break it. Your suggestion reminds me of the one put to me about 20 years ago when I bought a 1990 Toyota 4X4 (should have never got rid of that thing...). People wanted me to "prove" how tough it was by sinking it in a mud pit and driving out of it. I told them if I wanted a swamp boat, I would have bought a swamp boat!  I told them they should prove to me how tough their trucks were and go sink them up past the mid line of the door and see if they could drive them out. No takers....

Why go with a big optic rather than a laser like Crimson Trace?  You acquire the target quickly under a stress situation and it is smaller and easier to carry?

I have small hands and I didn't want to add to girth of the grip. But CT grips are outstanding devices!

LaserMax makes them for the Glock.  I have one on my 21SF and 23. Not only are they quick to acquire, you can be on target even if you cannot get the gun to eye level, like shooting across your body or other awkward positions.

I looked at the LaserMax but liked the STS better, though the LaserMax clearly is superior in shooting from unorthodox positions.

If Michael B. is reading this, I hope he tells the powers that be at the big gun makers if they can work with Trijicon or C-More to come up with a sight designed to work with their gun and that allows the use of sights will have a big hit. And they should work with a holster manufacturer (Blade Tech) so that a complete solution is developed. I really believe this is the future for handguns.

[Solus]

what I'd like to see is a holographic sight that was able to be housed in the rear sight, like LaserLyte's rear sight laser, that could project a red dot on a plane with the front sight and the target without the need of a screen. 

Don't know if it is possible or, if it is, can it be made that small and have a reasonable price.

[tombogan03884]

Tom,
I never treat any of my guns (including the AK) like that.

Me either, but I hope you understand what I mean about testing it, by not babying it because it has an optic.
Treat it exactly the same as you would  with out the sight.
I really want to know how it holds zero, I've been following Gabe Suarez's trials, but he only mentioned it once since he started,
His experience was pretty much the same as yours, that it works pretty darn well.

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[breezzer99]

I carried a XD .45 loved that gun should've never sold  it. But I found a new one I want.

[m25operator]

Although technology marches on, and sight systems get smaller, more durable and battery life extended, I like the Laser so far, FA your set up has no back up, like you said point shooting, at 21' ok if you practice and believe, the laser provides a quick shot, and if it go's t's up, you still have iron sights, having a co witness sight, very cool, especially if tritium is involved. The only sight system I really believe in is Aimpoint, extremely durable, extremely long battery life, so you can leave it on, pick it up and it is on, ready to go, change batteries at the appropriate time and your good to go. Competition is a different game, and it is a game normally, There are extreme games that might truely test your equipment, and give it a real chance to fail, when you need it. My game guns are just that, my 3 gun AR, has 2 sighting systems, a 2.5x8 with an illuminated reticle, and a Tasco optima, 2 chances to fail, but too heavy for normal SD. This is a good subject, that will change over time as technology progresses.

[tombogan03884]

Remember the Terminators laser equiped 1911 in the first movie ?
I was the size of a decent rifle scope, now they have them for the Kel Tec.
Tech does indeed march on.

[PegLeg45]

Remember the Terminators laser equiped 1911 in the first movie ?
I was the size of a decent rifle scope, now they have them for the Kel Tec.
Tech does indeed march on.

I was thinking about that also...along with nearly every handgun in Predator 2. 

[Rob Pincus]

what I'd like to see is a holographic sight that was able to be housed in the rear sight,

Solus, they had that back in the mid 90's.. it was called an EPT or EPC or something.. I have one in a box of crap somewhere... WAYYY too small of a window to be of any use.


*****

Comparing a dot and a Laser is apples to oranges.... two different things for two different situations, used in two different ways.

A Laser is really a Tertiary aiming device, especially good for when you cannot reach a proper shooting position (extended, etc) or for when there is no contrast for proper sight use and your need for precision at the time would normally call for sighted fire.

A red-dot is a replacement Secondary aiming device for use when your need for precision dictates some type of sight. It replaces "iron" sights.

As always, primary aiming in defensive shooting should be done with proper & consistent positioning of the firearm while your focus is on the threat... kinesthetic Alignment.

-RJP